If you stop taking Anti-Depressants you have worse withdrawals than codeine addiction. So ban anti-depressants? As for the prescription opiate epidemic, blame your doctors. These people are addicted to oxy which is essentially heroin. Codeine is the most mild opiate available.
No one said ban any medication, of any kind. They exist for a reason and some are miracle workers. This is about the abusive behavior, of medication you do not need. Not arguing about Big-Pharma.
Anti-depressants, anti-anxiety etc fall into long-term use. Like any other medications that are prescribed for mental health issues/disorders.
You simply state that if it's legal, it is not abuse;
Painkillers are intended for the treatment of chronic pain and were never intended to be long-term, unless you have cancer or severe diagnosis backing chronic pain that is unmanageable. Before the big boom it took cancer, or a nearly severed limb, to attain what people can -- in such high doses and quantity -- today. So the comparison between anti-depressants/ prescriptions for mental health to painkillers, is ridiculous. People like the OP abuse painkillers to get high, not because they're actually in pain. Fibromyalgia and similar diagnosis attribute to paper flying off the RX pad. People can make up pain and get a scripts for years through clinics. It's a cash-cow for the Doctors (whom reject insurance) and feeds addicts all over the country. That will never end, now that it has begun. Big-pharma sets the standard and always will. Damage control is only slightly implemented, in light of high death results per year. Hyrdocodone is now Schedule II. This happened mere days ago. Doctors have to find more evidence backing chronic pain and/or taper patients safely to avoid withdrawal. Which should NEVER be an issue if a patient is not misusing medication. Doctors and addicted patients can be one in the same, I blame no one.
This OP playing with T3 is child's play, but the whole point is to steer someone in the right direction, if they genuinely do not realize what the abuse of opiates can lead to. That was the entire "argument", if any. People should not condone nor encourage that. It's pretty fuuuucking despicable.
T3 is child's play compared to other drugs, that's the point. Clearly he uses codeine for emotional pain, which is on going. So why is it ethical to take anti-depressants and not ethical to use a mild opiate. Given the codeine has less withdrawal effects?
The difference is a doctor with little no training in mental health prescribed one? Far be it a person has a right to their own body and what goes into it.
He's self medicating, it's his choice. He is highly unlikely to OD from this. I really don't see a problem. Why do you want to control every facet of everyone's life? It indicates to me you are severely unhappy in your own life and need to control others.
You are so unbelievably uneducated regarding all of this and quite possibly enjoy being incorrect. Not that it matters to those who say things like, "use CWE for a better buzz! It's legal, all good here".. Basically point the blame towards a doctor for prescription abuse, not yourselves -- justifications and excuses and lack of getting help for your problems. Just find easy and temporary fixes.
In a nutshell; Anti-anxiety, anti-depressants etc require mental health assessments. Evaluation and going about diagnosis for specific mental health issues, in a process. Not finding your personal drug of choice to self-medicate. In your theory, use meth/heroin and every other drug, if it temporarily brings you solace and makes you feel "great"... That's nonsense.
There's also the obvious, when you have mental health issues and seek help, be it depression or anxiety, medications are implemented for long-term use, they are for neurological disorders. Painkillers are not. They attach to the receptors in your brain that control pain/numb it physically; euphoria is not always the case. Every body is different, as is the chemistry of the brain. Euphoria is a temporary fix, leaving the potential addict craving more and relying on a buzz to feel good for maybe 10mins at a peak time. Not solving what is internally going on with the person and causing addictive-prone behavior. If you're unhappy and abusing a drug, you're only going to become increasingly more depressed. This drug will change you.
Neurological disorders and their medications are intended to provide what your brain does not produce naturally. Dopamine, serotonin, etc are staggeringly low for people with manic-depression. Abilifies (anti-depressants) are created to provide you with long term treatment and balance out the depleted levels that causes unmanageable depression. Same with anti-anxiety. These treat the problem. Not exacerbating them with irrational, quick and easy fixes. Not to mention unhealthy. If everyone took painkillers for depression, their liver/kidneys would be spent and the abuse will catch up to your body. If you want to be on dialysis eventually and rely on a catheter to urinate. Go for it.
(....Seriously?)
And I have no desire whatsoever to control a single soul on this earth. Trying to tell someone "opiate abuse is not the way to go about feeling better" comes from a compassionate place. I've struggled with opiates since I was a teenager. It's a very exhausting and rough addiction, that can consume you physically, steal your soul, motivation and passion -- chasing that good feeling.
Your "indication" that [me] wanting to steer someone away from drug-abuse = wanting to control them or means one is unhappy with oneself -- indicates you're very ignorant, one-sided and genuinely believe in your delusional thinking. Because helping is bad, condoning drug-abuse and how to "do it right" is the person you should listen to. Solid advice, huh?
Self-medicating vs seeking legitimate help for something that could be wrong with someone, hypothetically addicted of course. You're astonishingly wrong, but I believe you know this already and simply like the negative/combative side you bring out in yourself, online. Maybe you feel a little more in control. Either way, don't justify this stupid theory that you can pacify depression with a quick fix, in a painkiller; 10 long years. My kidneys and liver would punch you. But they're currently hard at work mid-twenties.
If you're not being sarcastic or snide -- you're very ignorant regarding the opiate epidemic; abuse and addiction start like this.
You really should refrain from commenting about it, if you're stance is "it's legal, so it's not abuse".
People are prescribed opiates every day, the misuse/abuse kills thousands of people every year. It's legal and you can attain a prescription, however that does not mean "take it for fun" and for getting high should justify the OP's actions. He/she is taking Tylenol 3. One step below Vicodin. If this person develops a physical addiction, they will be resorting to illegal means to obtain the drug eventually. Like most opiate addicts, it starts with the weaker doses, before tolerance of the drug and cravings gradually increase -- and you're an addict.
They are abused daily by people without scripts. This is incredibly well-known.
If you're not taking them for pain, you're already headed down a very dangerous path. Needless to say, everyone knows the detrimental effects on the kidneys (especially liver) But emotional solace in perking up with drugs, is the formula for a very serious addiction.
Well the original (moronic) statement is still visible for others to see. Even if "it" wants reaction; explaining certain things doesn't hurt. For the sake of someone young, who may not know the dangers, seriousness or is "misinformed"...it doesn't hurt to leave something opposing such nonsense.
I'm addicted to Tylenol w/codeine. Is it normal?
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Don't encourage this behavior. Please, stop taking condeine unnecessary, it really is not good for your health.
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How is he/she misinformed? Addiction and recreational use of opiates is not something to tread lightly about.
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If you stop taking Anti-Depressants you have worse withdrawals than codeine addiction. So ban anti-depressants? As for the prescription opiate epidemic, blame your doctors. These people are addicted to oxy which is essentially heroin. Codeine is the most mild opiate available.
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No one said ban any medication, of any kind. They exist for a reason and some are miracle workers. This is about the abusive behavior, of medication you do not need. Not arguing about Big-Pharma.
Anti-depressants, anti-anxiety etc fall into long-term use. Like any other medications that are prescribed for mental health issues/disorders.
You simply state that if it's legal, it is not abuse;
Painkillers are intended for the treatment of chronic pain and were never intended to be long-term, unless you have cancer or severe diagnosis backing chronic pain that is unmanageable. Before the big boom it took cancer, or a nearly severed limb, to attain what people can -- in such high doses and quantity -- today. So the comparison between anti-depressants/ prescriptions for mental health to painkillers, is ridiculous. People like the OP abuse painkillers to get high, not because they're actually in pain. Fibromyalgia and similar diagnosis attribute to paper flying off the RX pad. People can make up pain and get a scripts for years through clinics. It's a cash-cow for the Doctors (whom reject insurance) and feeds addicts all over the country. That will never end, now that it has begun. Big-pharma sets the standard and always will. Damage control is only slightly implemented, in light of high death results per year. Hyrdocodone is now Schedule II. This happened mere days ago. Doctors have to find more evidence backing chronic pain and/or taper patients safely to avoid withdrawal. Which should NEVER be an issue if a patient is not misusing medication. Doctors and addicted patients can be one in the same, I blame no one.
This OP playing with T3 is child's play, but the whole point is to steer someone in the right direction, if they genuinely do not realize what the abuse of opiates can lead to. That was the entire "argument", if any. People should not condone nor encourage that. It's pretty fuuuucking despicable.
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T3 is child's play compared to other drugs, that's the point. Clearly he uses codeine for emotional pain, which is on going. So why is it ethical to take anti-depressants and not ethical to use a mild opiate. Given the codeine has less withdrawal effects?
The difference is a doctor with little no training in mental health prescribed one? Far be it a person has a right to their own body and what goes into it.
He's self medicating, it's his choice. He is highly unlikely to OD from this. I really don't see a problem. Why do you want to control every facet of everyone's life? It indicates to me you are severely unhappy in your own life and need to control others.
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You are so unbelievably uneducated regarding all of this and quite possibly enjoy being incorrect. Not that it matters to those who say things like, "use CWE for a better buzz! It's legal, all good here".. Basically point the blame towards a doctor for prescription abuse, not yourselves -- justifications and excuses and lack of getting help for your problems. Just find easy and temporary fixes.
In a nutshell; Anti-anxiety, anti-depressants etc require mental health assessments. Evaluation and going about diagnosis for specific mental health issues, in a process. Not finding your personal drug of choice to self-medicate. In your theory, use meth/heroin and every other drug, if it temporarily brings you solace and makes you feel "great"... That's nonsense.
There's also the obvious, when you have mental health issues and seek help, be it depression or anxiety, medications are implemented for long-term use, they are for neurological disorders. Painkillers are not. They attach to the receptors in your brain that control pain/numb it physically; euphoria is not always the case. Every body is different, as is the chemistry of the brain. Euphoria is a temporary fix, leaving the potential addict craving more and relying on a buzz to feel good for maybe 10mins at a peak time. Not solving what is internally going on with the person and causing addictive-prone behavior. If you're unhappy and abusing a drug, you're only going to become increasingly more depressed. This drug will change you.
Neurological disorders and their medications are intended to provide what your brain does not produce naturally. Dopamine, serotonin, etc are staggeringly low for people with manic-depression. Abilifies (anti-depressants) are created to provide you with long term treatment and balance out the depleted levels that causes unmanageable depression. Same with anti-anxiety. These treat the problem. Not exacerbating them with irrational, quick and easy fixes. Not to mention unhealthy. If everyone took painkillers for depression, their liver/kidneys would be spent and the abuse will catch up to your body. If you want to be on dialysis eventually and rely on a catheter to urinate. Go for it.
(....Seriously?)
And I have no desire whatsoever to control a single soul on this earth. Trying to tell someone "opiate abuse is not the way to go about feeling better" comes from a compassionate place. I've struggled with opiates since I was a teenager. It's a very exhausting and rough addiction, that can consume you physically, steal your soul, motivation and passion -- chasing that good feeling.
Your "indication" that [me] wanting to steer someone away from drug-abuse = wanting to control them or means one is unhappy with oneself -- indicates you're very ignorant, one-sided and genuinely believe in your delusional thinking. Because helping is bad, condoning drug-abuse and how to "do it right" is the person you should listen to. Solid advice, huh?
Self-medicating vs seeking legitimate help for something that could be wrong with someone, hypothetically addicted of course. You're astonishingly wrong, but I believe you know this already and simply like the negative/combative side you bring out in yourself, online. Maybe you feel a little more in control. Either way, don't justify this stupid theory that you can pacify depression with a quick fix, in a painkiller; 10 long years. My kidneys and liver would punch you. But they're currently hard at work mid-twenties.
How is he misinformed? He's not, he's right, abusing medicine is a dangerous and unhealthy habit. You're misinformed buddy, big time.
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It's perfectly legal, hence not abuse.
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If you're not being sarcastic or snide -- you're very ignorant regarding the opiate epidemic; abuse and addiction start like this.
You really should refrain from commenting about it, if you're stance is "it's legal, so it's not abuse".
People are prescribed opiates every day, the misuse/abuse kills thousands of people every year. It's legal and you can attain a prescription, however that does not mean "take it for fun" and for getting high should justify the OP's actions. He/she is taking Tylenol 3. One step below Vicodin. If this person develops a physical addiction, they will be resorting to illegal means to obtain the drug eventually. Like most opiate addicts, it starts with the weaker doses, before tolerance of the drug and cravings gradually increase -- and you're an addict.
They are abused daily by people without scripts. This is incredibly well-known.
If you're not taking them for pain, you're already headed down a very dangerous path. Needless to say, everyone knows the detrimental effects on the kidneys (especially liver) But emotional solace in perking up with drugs, is the formula for a very serious addiction.
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You're being trolled by someone who doesn't care about anything you say. Probably stop talking now. They hate everything. Don't give ammo.
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Well the original (moronic) statement is still visible for others to see. Even if "it" wants reaction; explaining certain things doesn't hurt. For the sake of someone young, who may not know the dangers, seriousness or is "misinformed"...it doesn't hurt to leave something opposing such nonsense.
Hey asshole, its called abuse because the person is abusing the fact that the medication is technically legal. You're a douchebag.
I'm afraid not. I've seen people near on die from a codeine addiction.