-38% of rapes are reported to the police
-15% of reported rapes lead to an arrest(5.7 of all rapes)
-19% of arrests lead to prosecution(2.8% of reported rapes, 1.1% of all rapes)
-54.5% of prosecuted rapes lead to jail time(1.5% of reported rapes, 0.6% of all rapes)
-*5% of reported rapes are false. (More on this in a minute)
Now, let’s say false rape reports lead to arrests and incarceration at the same rate as the real thing. (Even though the rate for false accusations is likely considerably lower, obviously. One study showed only 3% of false reports lead to arrests and less than 1% lead to charges.)
But let’s say the rates are the same. Add it all up and for every innocent man that goes to jail for rape, there are 3,300 rapists who go free. Even if you take out the unreported rapes, there’s still over 1,200 women who are raped and report it to the police and their rapist goes free for every innocent man who goes to jail. You tell me who the justice system treats unfairly.
By the way, that 5% “false accusation” number includes women who changed their mind and decided not to pursue the case, which certainly doesn’t mean it didn’t happen(anybody who’s ever known anybody in an abusive relationship knows they will recant even when it did happen), and any other case where the police simply decided the report wasn’t true. There are several known incidents of women reporting being raped, not being believed, being charged/convicted, and later it being proven that they were telling the truth the whole time. This is one of the reasons why women are so reluctant to come forward.
It's not a matter of which happens ofter, and 5% is still way to high for something like that. It is a matter of how is it right that the law system should work. Does it really seem right to you that it should be possible to have people sentenced without proof if someone decided to accuse you? There just wont always be a chance to catch every criminal, and in order to have a an actually justful system thats how it has to be (not a good thing, but its better than the alternative), its not exclusive to rape cases, that is just treated like an "unique" crime, but what if we apply the same logic to murder and you can go to prison because someone accuses you of killing?
If they refuse investigate properly then you have all right to complain and I support you on that. I would also support giving actual proven rapists either death penalty or life sentence in prison, and that probably would discourage it a lot, as there is always a chance to get caught. But the stricter the penalty, the more important it becomes that nobody gets wrongfully convicted to that penalty. You are not asking for a very just system overall.
You asked for cases of women being treated unfairly by the legal system. That was the entire basis of the post, so of course which happens more often is relevant. I digress. Who said it was possible for someone to be sent to jail without proof, or that it should be possible? The problem is people who don’t go to jail even when there is proof. Nobody’s going to jail without proof, short of corruption in the legal system, but that’s a whole other topic and no standard of proof is going to help in a situation like that.
Since you brought up murder…one study found 52 rape convictions that were later overturned in the last 25 years. For comparison’s sake, the same study found 790 murder convictions overturned in the same time period. If you’re concerned about people going to jail for crimes they didn’t commit, false rape accusations isn’t even in the conversation.
If you want a legal system where there are zero wrongful convictions, you might as well say you want rape(and every other crime) to be legal. There is no punishment that would make the risk outweighs the reward for criminals in a system like that because the chances of anybody being convicted would be so astronomically low. Even DNA evidence isn’t 100% accurate and foolproof. Hell, even confessions aren’t 100% reliable(see the Unbelievable story I referenced in my last comment), so that wouldn’t be enough to send somebody to jail.
Okay, I can maybe agree to have someone sentenced when there is at least majority of actual proof, if the convict rate would be extremely low otherwise. If someone is found innocent or even that the original court didn't do a good job (despite no new evidence) then they should be set free and compensated. But proof beyond accusation is a minimum in every crime case.
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Some fun facts for ya:
-38% of rapes are reported to the police
-15% of reported rapes lead to an arrest(5.7 of all rapes)
-19% of arrests lead to prosecution(2.8% of reported rapes, 1.1% of all rapes)
-54.5% of prosecuted rapes lead to jail time(1.5% of reported rapes, 0.6% of all rapes)
-*5% of reported rapes are false. (More on this in a minute)
Now, let’s say false rape reports lead to arrests and incarceration at the same rate as the real thing. (Even though the rate for false accusations is likely considerably lower, obviously. One study showed only 3% of false reports lead to arrests and less than 1% lead to charges.)
But let’s say the rates are the same. Add it all up and for every innocent man that goes to jail for rape, there are 3,300 rapists who go free. Even if you take out the unreported rapes, there’s still over 1,200 women who are raped and report it to the police and their rapist goes free for every innocent man who goes to jail. You tell me who the justice system treats unfairly.
By the way, that 5% “false accusation” number includes women who changed their mind and decided not to pursue the case, which certainly doesn’t mean it didn’t happen(anybody who’s ever known anybody in an abusive relationship knows they will recant even when it did happen), and any other case where the police simply decided the report wasn’t true. There are several known incidents of women reporting being raped, not being believed, being charged/convicted, and later it being proven that they were telling the truth the whole time. This is one of the reasons why women are so reluctant to come forward.
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It's not a matter of which happens ofter, and 5% is still way to high for something like that. It is a matter of how is it right that the law system should work. Does it really seem right to you that it should be possible to have people sentenced without proof if someone decided to accuse you? There just wont always be a chance to catch every criminal, and in order to have a an actually justful system thats how it has to be (not a good thing, but its better than the alternative), its not exclusive to rape cases, that is just treated like an "unique" crime, but what if we apply the same logic to murder and you can go to prison because someone accuses you of killing?
If they refuse investigate properly then you have all right to complain and I support you on that. I would also support giving actual proven rapists either death penalty or life sentence in prison, and that probably would discourage it a lot, as there is always a chance to get caught. But the stricter the penalty, the more important it becomes that nobody gets wrongfully convicted to that penalty. You are not asking for a very just system overall.
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You asked for cases of women being treated unfairly by the legal system. That was the entire basis of the post, so of course which happens more often is relevant. I digress. Who said it was possible for someone to be sent to jail without proof, or that it should be possible? The problem is people who don’t go to jail even when there is proof. Nobody’s going to jail without proof, short of corruption in the legal system, but that’s a whole other topic and no standard of proof is going to help in a situation like that.
Since you brought up murder…one study found 52 rape convictions that were later overturned in the last 25 years. For comparison’s sake, the same study found 790 murder convictions overturned in the same time period. If you’re concerned about people going to jail for crimes they didn’t commit, false rape accusations isn’t even in the conversation.
If you want a legal system where there are zero wrongful convictions, you might as well say you want rape(and every other crime) to be legal. There is no punishment that would make the risk outweighs the reward for criminals in a system like that because the chances of anybody being convicted would be so astronomically low. Even DNA evidence isn’t 100% accurate and foolproof. Hell, even confessions aren’t 100% reliable(see the Unbelievable story I referenced in my last comment), so that wouldn’t be enough to send somebody to jail.
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Okay, I can maybe agree to have someone sentenced when there is at least majority of actual proof, if the convict rate would be extremely low otherwise. If someone is found innocent or even that the original court didn't do a good job (despite no new evidence) then they should be set free and compensated. But proof beyond accusation is a minimum in every crime case.