Also what you dont see is how many false rape accusations are swept under the rug as well! Im not advocating for rape obviously (idk if anyone serioisly does) but you can not just say "oh this girl says she was raped lets lock her ex boyfriend up and ruin his life with no investigation." Women do this all the time. Ive heard women falsly claim their boyfriends beat them. Ive had a girl accuse me of something similar. Ive had friends girlfriends that even fake being pregnant. It absolutely does happen and it should be condemned by everyone and like rape it shouldnt be swept under the rug
I'm just saying that people love to focus on the false accusations so they can say "men have it worse", when there are at least as many (probably a lot more) actual rapes that go unpunished.
"I'm just saying that people love to focus on the false accusations" I feel you were doing exactly that by focusing only on the rapes and discounting false accusations. Just like others only focus on false accusations and not real rapes. This was his whole point its always one side or the other. Women vs men. You were doing the same thing in reverse. Its all good though.
I know, I am going against what the OP is claiming to be about, but he did ask "In what cases are women in the western world treated unfairly in the law system?" which is why I brought up actual rape cases getting thrown out. I dont think it's a male vs female thing, but he made it that way, so i'm just calling out the hypocrisy.
That's not good either, and I would be for stricter penalties to deter rapists, when it is actually proven. But it's not a matter of what happens after. In law you have to make your mind, should it be possible to sentence someone based on an accusation with no actual proof? If you have to settle that question once for all I think the answer is obvious... And it especially would seem obvious (to most women also) if that actually went both ways and women can go to prison because a man accused them.
The problem with rape is a matter of dealing with individual rapists, there is neither a law or an overall culture for men to encourage or accept rape (unless you mean those crazy actually stereotype incels maybe, but most of society oppose them)
In cases where rape cases are "thrown away" as you say, is it due to lack of proof, or due to actual refusal to investigate?
You're looking at it way too simply. You think that someone can just call 911 and say "there's been a rape!" and the dude gets cuffed and stuffed instantly afterwards. You are one of these "according to the internet" guys you pretended to be against at the beginning of the post.
Another funny one is how you guys are quick to say things like "what was she wearing?" or "she should have chosen a nice guy like me!" in rape/abuse cases, but we never see about all these supposed false rape claims: "what did you do to make her mad?", "why did you choose a psycho?"
In other words it doesn't happen out of nowhere or to just anyone. Be smart and get to know someone before you stick your dick in them.
I never said it matters in the setting what she's wearing and it doesn't. Nor does it matter if she was angry at him for an unrelated reason. If the cases are nearly always properly investigated and nobody actually gets sentenced without proof that goes beyond the accusation then maybe I can change my mind on that a little. But how do people end up wrongfully convicted then?
By the way, I'm actually a woman and never said otherwise. Doesn't mean I have to side with my gender in every cause.
And maybe normalizing casual sex with strangers was a mistake on societies behalf, because you should be able to trust them among many other issue. I dont want to make it illegal still.
I'm not focusing on false accusations in order to say men have it worse, but because it is horrible and very unjust in itself when someone actually innocent goes to prison. Imagine if that was you. And it also makes large numbers of men (that aren't rapists) afraid to date, which I think is bad for both genders.
And people can and do lie. Its something especially bad when the law system does something like that, abusing their power when they should protect the innocent and should be able to be trusted with their power. This has nothing directly to do with gender, people should be innocent until the opposite is proven. But if they simply refuse to investigate, that is a problem too. I am also for supporting potential rape victims in other ways, in case what they're saying is true, but at the same time not punish the potential rapist in case what they're saying is not true and you ruin the life of an innocent person.
men: afraid to date because there's a small chance she'll call him a rapist
women: afraid to date because there's a considerably larger chance he's actually a rapist
I find it unreasonable how men and women hate each other
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Also what you dont see is how many false rape accusations are swept under the rug as well! Im not advocating for rape obviously (idk if anyone serioisly does) but you can not just say "oh this girl says she was raped lets lock her ex boyfriend up and ruin his life with no investigation." Women do this all the time. Ive heard women falsly claim their boyfriends beat them. Ive had a girl accuse me of something similar. Ive had friends girlfriends that even fake being pregnant. It absolutely does happen and it should be condemned by everyone and like rape it shouldnt be swept under the rug
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I'm just saying that people love to focus on the false accusations so they can say "men have it worse", when there are at least as many (probably a lot more) actual rapes that go unpunished.
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"I'm just saying that people love to focus on the false accusations" I feel you were doing exactly that by focusing only on the rapes and discounting false accusations. Just like others only focus on false accusations and not real rapes. This was his whole point its always one side or the other. Women vs men. You were doing the same thing in reverse. Its all good though.
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I know, I am going against what the OP is claiming to be about, but he did ask "In what cases are women in the western world treated unfairly in the law system?" which is why I brought up actual rape cases getting thrown out. I dont think it's a male vs female thing, but he made it that way, so i'm just calling out the hypocrisy.
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That's not good either, and I would be for stricter penalties to deter rapists, when it is actually proven. But it's not a matter of what happens after. In law you have to make your mind, should it be possible to sentence someone based on an accusation with no actual proof? If you have to settle that question once for all I think the answer is obvious... And it especially would seem obvious (to most women also) if that actually went both ways and women can go to prison because a man accused them.
The problem with rape is a matter of dealing with individual rapists, there is neither a law or an overall culture for men to encourage or accept rape (unless you mean those crazy actually stereotype incels maybe, but most of society oppose them)
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You're looking at it way too simply. You think that someone can just call 911 and say "there's been a rape!" and the dude gets cuffed and stuffed instantly afterwards. You are one of these "according to the internet" guys you pretended to be against at the beginning of the post.
Another funny one is how you guys are quick to say things like "what was she wearing?" or "she should have chosen a nice guy like me!" in rape/abuse cases, but we never see about all these supposed false rape claims: "what did you do to make her mad?", "why did you choose a psycho?"
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I never said it matters in the setting what she's wearing and it doesn't. Nor does it matter if she was angry at him for an unrelated reason. If the cases are nearly always properly investigated and nobody actually gets sentenced without proof that goes beyond the accusation then maybe I can change my mind on that a little. But how do people end up wrongfully convicted then?
By the way, I'm actually a woman and never said otherwise. Doesn't mean I have to side with my gender in every cause.
And maybe normalizing casual sex with strangers was a mistake on societies behalf, because you should be able to trust them among many other issue. I dont want to make it illegal still.
I'm not focusing on false accusations in order to say men have it worse, but because it is horrible and very unjust in itself when someone actually innocent goes to prison. Imagine if that was you. And it also makes large numbers of men (that aren't rapists) afraid to date, which I think is bad for both genders.
And people can and do lie. Its something especially bad when the law system does something like that, abusing their power when they should protect the innocent and should be able to be trusted with their power. This has nothing directly to do with gender, people should be innocent until the opposite is proven. But if they simply refuse to investigate, that is a problem too. I am also for supporting potential rape victims in other ways, in case what they're saying is true, but at the same time not punish the potential rapist in case what they're saying is not true and you ruin the life of an innocent person.
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men: afraid to date because there's a small chance she'll call him a rapist
women: afraid to date because there's a considerably larger chance he's actually a rapist
hmm