I dont like femininizing of the american man

I hear the term toxic masculinity being thrown around and I understand that examples of it like screaming at a baby to stop crying and toughen up is bad. But I dont think masculinity in itself is bad at all. I see masculinity as being essential for a society to function. I think of a masculine man being a brave person, not being afraid to speak his opinion even if unpopular, a good leader, someone whos strong mentally and does not crack under pressure, someone who defends his family and country, a dependable person, someone who does not gossip, someone who respects others, someone who does not make excuses for himself when he fails, someone whos not afraid to do things that has to be done (like the men letting the women and children off the Titanic knowing theyre gonna freeze to death within an hours time), being able to contain his emotions and keep composure.

I feel we coddle young men too much and we teach them their emotions are more important than anything. But we need to be raising tougher men I feel that its essential for society to function. I know it sounds dramatic to say but I think it is that important. Feelings are important but sometimes things have to get done and its not pretty. Sometimes you will hurt peoples feelings by doing what needs to be done.

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  • JellyBeanBandit

    All of those things you mentioned I don't equate to masculinity at all. I mean yeah, masculine men would have all those traits, but so would strong women. I think the best kind of people all round, whether male or female, would be someone with all those traits, but who are also then in touch with their emotions and who can admit when they are hurt, upset, afraid, etc.

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    • I guess I just have higher expectations for men than women to be leaders. I dont want women to be like men I find it unattractive personally.

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      • 1234tellmethatyoulovememore

        A woman being a leader isn't a woman being like a man. What are feminine traits in your view?

        (Not being hostile, genuinely wondering)

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        • Grunewald

          I find that women are great at leading as a centre of influence within a group, rather than as a single 'big cheese', if you know what I mean. When I've been under female leadership, they have been very good at keeping the status quo within the group, but not so good at fielding 'challenges' to their leadership. They have sometimes (in practice) shared their authority or 'clout' with individuals who had no right to assume it.

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        • pasta_father

          What it is, is a woman goin 2 hell

          The BIBLE clearly states: "I permit no woman to teach or to have authority over men; she is to keep silent"

          they can try 2 play that bad bitch shit with god and high five each other in hell

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      • pasta_father

        I have zero expections of girls 2 be leaders cuz it literally says in the BIBLE there not allowed to multiple times

        "I permit no woman to teach or to have authority over men; she is to keep silent"

        Period.

        God made it pretty clear what he made them for. There 2 clean up our place and have our kids. He also made us like there bodies a lot so there supposed to let us do what we want with there bodies so we always have some joy in life. Its not a lot to ask when were supposed to protect them with our life and have 2 make sure they got somethin 2 eat all the time. God made em smaller so husbands can enforce this if society makes em stray from what they naturally want 2 do in there hearts

        Its rlly fuckin gross when girls start gettin overly opinionated and tryin to be in charge of anything. Its a turn off if they even want 2. Ive seen some fuckin dime pieces with dope ass and tiddies that I probly couldnt even get it up with just thinkin bout how they enjoy bossin ppl around at work and shit. So fuckin manly. If I wanted 2 fuck dudes Id be gay

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  • 11

    Having emotions isn't feminine.

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    • Idk where you read that.

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      • 11

        Where I read that having emotions isn't feminine? Nowhere, having emotions is a normal part of being human.

        If you mean where I read that in your post, the title being about "feminizing of the american man" plus "I feel ... we teach [young men] their emotions are more important than anything."

        People's emotions are absolutely the most important thing in their own lives. Your emotions led you to write this post, for example.

        If you're talking about inappropriate displays of emotion / emotional immaturity, that is not good in either sex.

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  • TheBlindInquisitor

    I hear this a lot and dont see it. Stop listening to idiots on the internet and the magicbox. America is doing fine.

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    • I never heard a man from my generation complain about which bathroom a hermaphrodite uses. This generation is much more emotional.

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      • TheBlindInquisitor

        Again get off the internet turn off the tv its not good for your mental health.

        I am being 100% honest with you its not what you think and this is coming from a guy who lives in the heart of the USSICR union of soviet satanic islamic Californian republicistan ruled by the afro latino sjw space jew legion or whatever outsiders say about us.

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        • I agree with you its not all gone yet but I'm looking at the direction this thing is going and its not good

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          • TheBlindInquisitor

            How so?

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      • 1234tellmethatyoulovememore

        If you're talking about trans people, they're not hermaphrodites, aka intersex. Intersex people are born with various health conditions that affect their physical sexual expression (had no idea how to word that lol, there's many conditions that cause it and variations) transgender people are transitioning from one gender to another typically, but most are not intersex

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  • pasta_father

    There aint nothin wrong with screamin at babies either. Its bullshit how much we baby them. I used to fight with my wife about this. She would baby talk to the babies. I would be like bitch r u teachin the baby to talk like u or the baby teachin u 2 talk like the baby?

    Imagine how much faster babies would learn 2 talk if we straight up taught them 2 talk. They r lookin at us tryin 2 see how its done and then we just say goo goo gaga? Wtf?! Treat ur baby like a grown ass man

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    • Me and my wife argue about this type of thing with our toddler. Just the other day he was near a creek throwing rocks in there and shes climbing down the bank to hold his hand constantly. Im like if he falls he will scrape his knee and get over it. Quit coddling him hes gonna be a pussy.

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      • 11

        Your job as a parent is to make your child feel safe and loved, not decide his personality. He's 2 years old of course he's a "pussy", being neglectful isn't going to make him a man.

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      • TheBlindInquisitor

        The fuck?

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  • techpc

    I agree that masculinity can be good.
    It just depends on the definition; some think that

    bottling up emotions

    having a "boys will be boys" mentality on bullying/sexual harassment(or worse)

    and having aversion to seeking therapy

    among others, are all great ways to live life. I believe these to be some examples of so-called toxic masculinity.

    I don't like using the term toxic masculinity, as some very loud, outspoken individuals on the internet seem to conflate the "toxic" version with the regular.

    Anyway, I personally deal with stress via distraction/solving the issue causing the stress. I find that my solutions work quite well. I don't really need to talk with friends about my problems. I feel that the toxic version of dealing with stress is just not facing the issues at all, tamping down any negative emotion, or letting a problem build up to the point where you hurt someone else.

    I agree that we need tough people to lead society.

    I disagree with your point about the men letting the women and children leave off of the Titanic, knowing they would die. To hell with that, I'm making sure I get off that boat. Sure, it's honorable and noble and all that, but I'm not dying for some random person who I'm in the same boat as just because they're the opposite gender.

    I think you're reading into social media too much, or the people telling you this are. As some have said, Twitter, Facebook, etc. is not real life. Boys aren't being forced to hold crying sessions during class because of repressed toxic masculinity.

    More often now, they are being taught that they and their emotions matter. Not above all else, but being seen as human helps.

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    • I go on this politics voice chat channel and I notice so many guys under 23 are like this now. If you disagree with them they start interrupting and getting all emotional even screaming and calling you insults. It sounds like their emotions dictate their opinions of reality and they make excuses for themselves. Even in the workplace you hear the complaining constantly from younger guys. I could never see my father or uncles acting like such sissies.

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      • techpc

        Most people are not part of politics-only groups(chats, etc). I'd wager it's more likely for the type of guy you're talking about to join a politics chat than the average person.
        The fact that they get emotional/irrational is not a testament to all young men out there these days, it just shows their individual immaturity.

        If the young guys are complaining about the work they signed up for, tell them to shut it or leave. Do you think they will stop complaining on their own?

        Some of my older coworkers complain(rightfully so in most cases) about bullshit they deal with. Not every man is the same/has the same temperament. I doubt your uncles/father confided in you, but they might have talked with each other/coworkers/friends.

        I agree with your other messages about the idea that it's important to not be a pushover. That said, being an asshole for the sake of "masculinity" is not the way to go either.

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  • 1234tellmethatyoulovememore

    I think we need to raise tougher people in general, but that entails people understanding their emotions and learning how to regulate them. I will concede many people have confused "getting in touch with your emotions" with "allow your emotions to control your life".

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  • Sanara

    I think a balance between the two is needed. Also both sides should let things just develop naturally more, not worry so much about how each gender and each person turns out

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  • momgetthecamera

    F E M B O Y R E V O L U T I O N

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  • bigbudchonga

    Western men in general are weak and effeminate.

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  • Isn't China like purposely working on their male citizens becoming as masculine as they can? I can't mind if I read that male students in China get some sort of Masculinity affirming class now.

    Quite funny when you think about it.

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    • Yes China, eastern Europe, and Japan seem to be the places where people arent losing their minds and they still do things that need to be done but arent nice. Japan doesnt care who calls them racist they only let in people who benefit their country. It doesnt matter how good the sob story is you only get in if you're beneficial. Russia also deals with illegal immigrants harshly and they do not have the same issues youtube "how russia deals with illegal immigrants". Preach Jihad in China? You are sent to a re-education camp and forced to live off bacon.

      Japan, Russia, China also dont burn their soldiers when they accidentally kill a civilian in war. They understand that war isnt pretty. And they definitely arent gonna let transgenders go into their armed forces and create abunch of drama. Imagine cutting off a russian soldiers head what the russians would do to your prisoners. They wouldnt dare put that on TV and mock russia. In the middle east they capture Americans and cut off their head and upload it to the internet and we get all butthurt when we sprinkle some water on them

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      • pasta_father

        Holy shit! they make em eat bacon? That is BOSS dude! Fuck there "religious rights" lol. Get that muslim shit out of here.

        And they dont care if u kill civilians?! Fuck yeah man. I always get so pissed off when u hear bout our soldiers gettin in trouble 4 killin civilians in the middle east and fuckin the women left behind. Like bro there fuckin animals over there not stand up citizens or somethin lol. they deserve it

        We act like soldiers are supposed 2 just not shoot at ppl cussing at them and shit. Fuck that. If u throw a rock or cuss at me while im holdin a gun ur fuckin stupid and im gonna shoot u. We have to squash that mentality and show we aint weak. If I go make his wife give me some pussy after I kill him maybe that will help stop them from actin so stupid when they see what happens to ur wife if u do that shit. Besides, soldiers R out there riskin there life for america and not gettin none from there wives anymore. The least we can do is let em get em some pussy if they wont 2. It aint like they magically quit havin needs out there

        Then the soldiers come back and we paint our OWN soldiers as these horrible "murderers" and "rapists". Like war aint fuckin pretty. This is real fuckin life, not snowflake land

        I used 2 hate China and call em a bunch of fuckin commies but jesus christ dude u make them sound bitchin! America is goin so fuckin soft. Maybe we need communism after all lol

        U know a lot of smart ppl say china will be the new america by 2050

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      • Correction

        I don’t know, being offended by somebody speaking a different language and being scared to serve with a transgender person both sound pretty snowflakey to me.

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  • MonteMetcalfe

    It's hard to act manly while you're a man-bun wearing, Prius driving vegan on your way to a Greta Thunberg led rally.

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    • pasta_father

      Lol. U have 2 admit shes kinda smokin hot in a weird way tho. I would def pretend 2 believe in global warming long enough 2 fuck her brains out

      Always wanted 2 smash a autistic bitch

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      • MonteMetcalfe

        She'd probably lay there looking grumpy and say "How dare you, How dare you."

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        • pasta_father

          Just when I thought I could only get so hard u go make me imagine greta hating every second of me takin her 2 pound town

          Consent is way overrated lol

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  • Meatballsandwich

    I agree. If I ever were to have a son in the future, I would raise him to become traditionally masculine.

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  • Tommythecaty

    There’s nothing to worry about with that one. There’s always an eventual backlash to culture trends.

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    • dude_Jones

      Good point, Tommo. Post-apocalyptic barbarianism is a breath of fresh air. Mad Max, Thunderdome, et all were the guys Nietzsche would have been proud of. Long live the champions.

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      • Tommythecaty

        Nietzsche was a fucking dildo.

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        • dude_Jones

          Hahaha. Thank you for noticing. Anyway, he never realized that Darwin was talking about the adaptation to ecosystems.

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