So you're seriously suggesting smoking itself isn't harmful either to the smoker or when it crosses the placental barrier to an unborn baby? My emphysema says otherwise and you sound like a spokesperson for the tobacco companies AND (I'll bet) a smoker?
Of course smoking is harmful to the smoker. Never said it wasn't. I said I haven't seen any good, reliable information that proves smoking is harmful to an unborn baby. I've seen attempts to prove it but not solid proof. Like I said, Ellenna, show me the proof and I will change my mind. Whether I smoke or not doesn't change facts, I'm not basing my opinion on anything other than FACTS. Show me facts that contradict what I said.
That whole paragraph referred to the effect of smoking on an unborn child. I thought that was obvious but I suppose I can kind of see how that sentence might be confusing so I will clarify it...
"If you can find me a good, solid study that proves smoking is harmful to unborn babies, I'd like to see it. Prove SMOKING is harmful, mind you...and that it is not nutrition, genetic, other drugs/alcohol, obesity, disease, etc. (that was the problem with any study I've seen, the test subjects were not strictly monitored, or had other issues, or testing/awareness of other conditions were not checked/known/understood at the time, environmental factors and so on, making the findings meaningless)"
Read it like this with my added clarification in brackets...
"Prove SMOKING is harmful [to the unborn child], mind you...and that it is not [mother's] nutrition, genetic, [mother's use of] other drugs/alcohol, [mother's] obesity, disease, etc."
Now, how about those links to some good evidence? Quit skirting it. I used to believe that smoking was very bad for unborn babies but a couple factoids I read or heard about it didn't add up so I looked heavily into it and the studies ARE just terrible, sorry but it's true. So get on with some good evidence or I'm assuming you can't find any either and are avoiding the meat of the matter with all your attempts to derail the conversation, make personal attacks and nitpick shit that should be reasonably understood.
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So you're seriously suggesting smoking itself isn't harmful either to the smoker or when it crosses the placental barrier to an unborn baby? My emphysema says otherwise and you sound like a spokesperson for the tobacco companies AND (I'll bet) a smoker?
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Of course smoking is harmful to the smoker. Never said it wasn't. I said I haven't seen any good, reliable information that proves smoking is harmful to an unborn baby. I've seen attempts to prove it but not solid proof. Like I said, Ellenna, show me the proof and I will change my mind. Whether I smoke or not doesn't change facts, I'm not basing my opinion on anything other than FACTS. Show me facts that contradict what I said.
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You said in your previous post "Prove SMOKING is harmful, mind you...", that doesn't confine it to smoking during pregnancy.
So you're not only a smoker, but either smoked when you were pregnant or around someone who did? I clearly hear your addiction speaking .......
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That whole paragraph referred to the effect of smoking on an unborn child. I thought that was obvious but I suppose I can kind of see how that sentence might be confusing so I will clarify it...
"If you can find me a good, solid study that proves smoking is harmful to unborn babies, I'd like to see it. Prove SMOKING is harmful, mind you...and that it is not nutrition, genetic, other drugs/alcohol, obesity, disease, etc. (that was the problem with any study I've seen, the test subjects were not strictly monitored, or had other issues, or testing/awareness of other conditions were not checked/known/understood at the time, environmental factors and so on, making the findings meaningless)"
Read it like this with my added clarification in brackets...
"Prove SMOKING is harmful [to the unborn child], mind you...and that it is not [mother's] nutrition, genetic, [mother's use of] other drugs/alcohol, [mother's] obesity, disease, etc."
Now, how about those links to some good evidence? Quit skirting it. I used to believe that smoking was very bad for unborn babies but a couple factoids I read or heard about it didn't add up so I looked heavily into it and the studies ARE just terrible, sorry but it's true. So get on with some good evidence or I'm assuming you can't find any either and are avoiding the meat of the matter with all your attempts to derail the conversation, make personal attacks and nitpick shit that should be reasonably understood.