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When someone changes their mind it is no different than lying about their original decision. The fact that they do not follow through with their original decision shows that they shouldn't have thought that in the first place and therefore were being dishonest not only to themselves, but to others as well.
I have been trying to think of that and have not thought of any examples. It seems if someone were to change what they thought, they didnt actually think it in the first place.
A lot of people ( myself at times admittedly ) have certain opinions that maybe aren't the best informed, maybe not researched all that well or even biased, they may have an experience involving something to do with that opinion which puts it into context
Also we change, no one, not one single person will exit this world as the exact same person they were when they were a kid, life happens to us, we experience new things all the time which can open our eyes, it can be a change in morals or taste
I despised hip hop and jazz as a teenager, I thought hip hop was a waste of time, talentless borderline rapist chavs talking over shit instrumentals and I thought jazz was pseudo sophisticated bullshit, now I'm a massive hip hop fan and I listen to quite a few jazz artists, hell in was forced to listen to pink Floyd as a kid and hated it, one of my favourite bands now, it doesn't mean I was lying before, I genuinely thought these things, I've just changed since then.
Ok let me rephrase somewhat.
You've never had a change of circumstances and had to change your stance/opinion/previous course of action on something?
Take my work situation. I told my clients I would work with them until the end of this year and into the foreseeable future. Some stuff has come up and instead I need to finish with them in May and move interstate.
In January, when we made this agreement, I had no clue this would happen. I had no intenyion of moving. So was I lying then?
I cannot think of any if there was. I make sure to never promise anything because something might happen otherwise. I do feel lied to when someone changes what they said.
Also if I did I was lying too. I am not trying to excuse myself from this rule.
I think people generally accept that situations and beliefs change, and that "lying" is only when someone has an intent to mislead/misinform. Change of mind is not an intent to mislead/misinform.
And I think that generally, people consider "promises" to be "within the best of my abilities, I will do this". Unforseen circumstances out of your own control really don't constitute a lie.
I honestly don't know if I'll explain this in a way that makes sense to you. Not trying to be rude about it, I just don't think you view this as most people do.
Well said, I think you're pretty much right on. There's always what I like to call exceptions to the rule. Life is unpredictable. "Stuff comes up", which can change a situation completely.
If your argument is he doesn't exist than save it. I have pictures with him from when I was a kid, and that can't be faked.
Yes but I only thought that because I was lied to. It wasnt my own opinion.
This is the stupidest post from you yet. Of course people are allowed to change their mind. What's wrong with you?
Maybe not lying if they originally believed in that decision. Sometimes people realize they need to change their mind. But if they do it any a way that screws someone, it's welching and that's cheating.
So a person who has lost their faith was lying when they believed in God?
When I realized the Slipknot was not a good band, was I lying when I thought they were?
That is just plain silly. What happened, did some girl change her mind about letting you fuck her?
Lying is setting out to tell an untruth, intentional and deliberate. Changing one's mind is making a new decision.
I’m so shocked by all the responses from these flakey unaccountable people. I think what you are asking is, is a person a liar when they make a commitment and do not follow through. Of course they are a liar. Don’t let these people beat you up. They just have guilty consciences because they have failed in the commitments they have made in life. You are doing the right thing by only making promises that you will keep.
I dont know but I definitely have trust issues, which isnt even something I would want to work on because it is impossible to know who you can trust.
This may keep me from ever having close relationships from anyone but it also keeps me from being taken advantage of.
And round and round in circles you go ... you have trust issues but you won't work on them because nobody can be trusted?
So are you the only lonely person on this planet who never changes his/her mind and never ever lies and can always be trusted?
I'm sad for you, I really am
I am sure I make mistakes too. It's just that you can never be certain when someone says something because it is impossible to know if or when they will take it back.
True but I don't like your alternative of never trusting anyone ...however I probably go to the other extreme and trust people I shouldn't trust.
Certainly you can never trust anyone not to change in a way that takes them away from you, that's why all that "til death us do part" is total crap and since I became an adult I've never trusted anyone who says they'll love me for ever (how can they possibly know that?) and have had problems with people who wanted me to promise that when I don't make promises I don't believe I can fulfil
It's good to not make promise you cannot keep. In my experience most people are full of empty promises and deceit. I choose to get along with people anyways, because nothing comes from dwelling on it, but it is important to always question if someone is truthful or not because there is no way to know anything but your own thoughts, and sometimes even those can be confusing.
No, it's not normal. They are two different things. When lying, the person knows they're doing wrong but do it anyway, but when changing mind they couldn't have known beforehand.
It is normal and logical when someone is presented with new facts that disprove their original belief, to alter those beliefs. There is nothing dishonest about that.
Someone who continues to argue a point after it has already been proven wrong to them is actually the person being dishonest, because they are aware of the truth and choose to ignore it.
This idea seems very counterintuitive to me. I know that there are things in my life that I used to think and believe wholeheartedly, but at a later stage they turned into pretty much the opposite.
Where is the lie in it?
It is important to never take anyones word for anything because it is unpredictable what they will actually do. It is a lie when someone chooses one option and does the other and it is best to never trust anyone because anything anyone says is therefore irrelevant to their actual intent.
Yes, never trust people because humans are inherently evil... This principle is clearly what society was founded on and conducive to a happy life!
If you can't trust anyone you know at all then you must know some really shitty people.
I would argee humanity is inherently evil, but this is something I have accepted. I can still get along with humans but it would be naive to depend on them because there is no way to tell for certain if you can trust anyone because I am the only person I can even confirm who exists.
Lol I was being sarcastic with that statement. Human's aren't inherently evil or good, they're just people. Some you can trust, some you can't, but to say you can't trust anyone seems like a pretty sad way to live. Find some better people to spend time with if you can't trust anyone you know.