Wow. I can't believe you admit that, that you were just told to believe and that still works for you as an adult. I am not even insulting you with what I'm about to say next as I'm sure you would have to agree. I am a creature from a civilization that existed before humans evolved and eventually went underground. We are magical creatures. I can revive the dead and also cast fire and ice spells with my eyes. Just trust me, dude. I'm telling you to.
Come on, man. You're a troll aren't you? You're an atheist attempting to expose how foolish the religious are to them by, instead of attempting to educate them which is usually hopeless, exaggerating their own irrational behaviors and admitting to things they won't so in hopes that when they see how foolish it actually looks, they're saved from the horrors of it. I actually used to think about doing this.
In the off event you're not actually an awesome guy doing awesome work here to save people, you're dead wrong about atheists never being told to believe. People who aren't strongly told to believe (in the US anyway) usually just grow up saying they're Christian but don't adhere to anything or that they don't really know.
In my experience hard atheists usually come from deeply religious families so they were led to actually see enough to know there's just no way. I was reading the Bible intensely as young as 4 or 5 because my family had made it clear nothing was more important. I actually wanted to. I wanted to be wise and grow. My first issues were moral ones. I started seeing so many things that hurt my "heart" which were clearly just wrong. It's kind of like how, barring psychopathy, sociopathy, low empathy, you can just tell murder is wrong. You know you shouldn't rape someone. You know you shouldn't steal. You can feel it. You don't really even have to be told. I'd read things that felt profoundly wrong while also reading about things which clearly weren't wrong being punishable by death.
This was very disappointing but it had no effect on my belief. I've never understood the sub-type of atheists who basically just didn't like what they read and chose not to believe it. That's just as irrational as believing simply because you fear death. I'm not capable of believing something because I want to or don't. I don't want to be either as that's clearly stupid. My feelings don't dictate reality.
So I continued to read. After all, this was my reality and I had to learn about it. It's best to know your environment. I couldn't just pretend God wasn't real any more than I could pretend Trump wasn't. Furthermore I knew I'd even have to try to like this guy if I didn't want to burn, although part of me was considering just doing that rather than sacrificing my morality and backing this horrible stuff.
That's where I'd still be, but fortunately as I got a bit older I had a lightbulb moment without ever even having heard of atheism and thought to myself, "Oh my God. This stuff is kind of like, fairly obviously bullshit. Rather good or bad, obviously none of this happened. Obviously even."
I didn't know how to tell anyone at first. I didn't even know about atheism until I started looking into scientists, historians, and the people who actually understand how the Earth was formed and what happened in the past. I wondered how they would rationalize what was blatantly at odds with science and almost entirely a parallel pseudohistory. And I found it out: They didn't.
This is why Christianity isn't taught in schools. If the evidence said it happened, it would be part of history class. If the science checked out, there would be examples from the Bible in science class just like tales of Newton and the apple. There's what borderline equates to a conscious understanding, even among the religious, that it's not /real/ history. It's not /real/ science. It exists in this other category people are just left to study on their own despite being contradicted by virtually everything real and known, demonstrating that it's not unknowable but clearly incorrect.
It's so bad that even most religious people have taken to calling everything symbolic or talking about certain parts not standing anymore. I mean at a certain point you just have to admit that if it quacks like a duck and it walks like a duck, it's a duck. Religions were fairytales to offer comfort from death, to explain what science wasn't yet able to, and to maintain law and order. They had their purposes but they're BS and that's why they're dying in the modern age.
I have argued that atheism is a religion; it is a belief. You were told to believe; so you did. You didn't like what you believed, but you believed it anyway. since you were told to. As you grew older, you became more independent, thinking, "Maybe, since I don't like what I believe, it's wrong." You then used this logic to reject what you previously believed, becoming an agnostic, due to your lack of knowledge of other religions. Then, when looking up the scientists, you found out that they had their own religion: a belief in the falsehood of other religions. Their religion was then offered to you as an option for you to believe. You chose to believe it, and you still believe it to this day. The agnostics are those who were never told to believe.
I figured you would say that, but again, I can't choose what to believe. There are other religions that I think it would be beyond fantastic to learn were true. If my mind worked that way I would be scouring for information supporting them as they're way preferable to my atheist reality. Being an atheist is not comforting at all.
Religion is expressly about worship and/or faith. Science expressly rejects faith. Nothing is considered hard science until it's beyond the point of faith. Faith is illogical. Contrary to what most theists seem to believe, hard science doesn't even claim to yet know how the universe started with 100% accuracy yet. We do know that the expansion of the universe and cosmic background radiation certainly seem to imply there's over a 99% certainly a Big Bang event occurred. We have very little clue what prompted it or if a prompt is required.
We do how the Earth was formed. We know its age. We don't know with 100% certainty where the moon came from although we've narrowed it down.
See how science is about evidence? There's no room for faith. It's not a belief system. It's a knowledge system. If we don't yet know something, we don't yet know. But when we know, we know because we outright prove it. Unfortunately for religion, we do now know enough that happens to contradict most of religion's claims.
These are not things I'm told to believe but things I understand and can't unsee. I wish I could so that I could join a religion I like but the fact is I've seen what I've seen and as my brain doesn't work in a faulty way that allows belief without evidence, it for damned sure doesn't allow belief /contrary/ to evidence, which is just insane.
The foundation of atheism is science and the encompassed /knowledge/ of things which directly contradict religion, not mere faith that religions are wrong.
There is nothing that proves religion wrong, just as there is nothing that proves religion correct. It's all based on faith in one's thoughts of the correct religion.
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Wow. I can't believe you admit that, that you were just told to believe and that still works for you as an adult. I am not even insulting you with what I'm about to say next as I'm sure you would have to agree. I am a creature from a civilization that existed before humans evolved and eventually went underground. We are magical creatures. I can revive the dead and also cast fire and ice spells with my eyes. Just trust me, dude. I'm telling you to.
Come on, man. You're a troll aren't you? You're an atheist attempting to expose how foolish the religious are to them by, instead of attempting to educate them which is usually hopeless, exaggerating their own irrational behaviors and admitting to things they won't so in hopes that when they see how foolish it actually looks, they're saved from the horrors of it. I actually used to think about doing this.
In the off event you're not actually an awesome guy doing awesome work here to save people, you're dead wrong about atheists never being told to believe. People who aren't strongly told to believe (in the US anyway) usually just grow up saying they're Christian but don't adhere to anything or that they don't really know.
In my experience hard atheists usually come from deeply religious families so they were led to actually see enough to know there's just no way. I was reading the Bible intensely as young as 4 or 5 because my family had made it clear nothing was more important. I actually wanted to. I wanted to be wise and grow. My first issues were moral ones. I started seeing so many things that hurt my "heart" which were clearly just wrong. It's kind of like how, barring psychopathy, sociopathy, low empathy, you can just tell murder is wrong. You know you shouldn't rape someone. You know you shouldn't steal. You can feel it. You don't really even have to be told. I'd read things that felt profoundly wrong while also reading about things which clearly weren't wrong being punishable by death.
This was very disappointing but it had no effect on my belief. I've never understood the sub-type of atheists who basically just didn't like what they read and chose not to believe it. That's just as irrational as believing simply because you fear death. I'm not capable of believing something because I want to or don't. I don't want to be either as that's clearly stupid. My feelings don't dictate reality.
So I continued to read. After all, this was my reality and I had to learn about it. It's best to know your environment. I couldn't just pretend God wasn't real any more than I could pretend Trump wasn't. Furthermore I knew I'd even have to try to like this guy if I didn't want to burn, although part of me was considering just doing that rather than sacrificing my morality and backing this horrible stuff.
That's where I'd still be, but fortunately as I got a bit older I had a lightbulb moment without ever even having heard of atheism and thought to myself, "Oh my God. This stuff is kind of like, fairly obviously bullshit. Rather good or bad, obviously none of this happened. Obviously even."
I didn't know how to tell anyone at first. I didn't even know about atheism until I started looking into scientists, historians, and the people who actually understand how the Earth was formed and what happened in the past. I wondered how they would rationalize what was blatantly at odds with science and almost entirely a parallel pseudohistory. And I found it out: They didn't.
This is why Christianity isn't taught in schools. If the evidence said it happened, it would be part of history class. If the science checked out, there would be examples from the Bible in science class just like tales of Newton and the apple. There's what borderline equates to a conscious understanding, even among the religious, that it's not /real/ history. It's not /real/ science. It exists in this other category people are just left to study on their own despite being contradicted by virtually everything real and known, demonstrating that it's not unknowable but clearly incorrect.
It's so bad that even most religious people have taken to calling everything symbolic or talking about certain parts not standing anymore. I mean at a certain point you just have to admit that if it quacks like a duck and it walks like a duck, it's a duck. Religions were fairytales to offer comfort from death, to explain what science wasn't yet able to, and to maintain law and order. They had their purposes but they're BS and that's why they're dying in the modern age.
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I have argued that atheism is a religion; it is a belief. You were told to believe; so you did. You didn't like what you believed, but you believed it anyway. since you were told to. As you grew older, you became more independent, thinking, "Maybe, since I don't like what I believe, it's wrong." You then used this logic to reject what you previously believed, becoming an agnostic, due to your lack of knowledge of other religions. Then, when looking up the scientists, you found out that they had their own religion: a belief in the falsehood of other religions. Their religion was then offered to you as an option for you to believe. You chose to believe it, and you still believe it to this day. The agnostics are those who were never told to believe.
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I figured you would say that, but again, I can't choose what to believe. There are other religions that I think it would be beyond fantastic to learn were true. If my mind worked that way I would be scouring for information supporting them as they're way preferable to my atheist reality. Being an atheist is not comforting at all.
Religion is expressly about worship and/or faith. Science expressly rejects faith. Nothing is considered hard science until it's beyond the point of faith. Faith is illogical. Contrary to what most theists seem to believe, hard science doesn't even claim to yet know how the universe started with 100% accuracy yet. We do know that the expansion of the universe and cosmic background radiation certainly seem to imply there's over a 99% certainly a Big Bang event occurred. We have very little clue what prompted it or if a prompt is required.
We do how the Earth was formed. We know its age. We don't know with 100% certainty where the moon came from although we've narrowed it down.
See how science is about evidence? There's no room for faith. It's not a belief system. It's a knowledge system. If we don't yet know something, we don't yet know. But when we know, we know because we outright prove it. Unfortunately for religion, we do now know enough that happens to contradict most of religion's claims.
These are not things I'm told to believe but things I understand and can't unsee. I wish I could so that I could join a religion I like but the fact is I've seen what I've seen and as my brain doesn't work in a faulty way that allows belief without evidence, it for damned sure doesn't allow belief /contrary/ to evidence, which is just insane.
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I am not arguing that science is a religion; I'm arguing that atheism is a religion. Atheists have faith that all other religions are false.
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There is nothing that proves religion wrong, just as there is nothing that proves religion correct. It's all based on faith in one's thoughts of the correct religion.
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There are things which prove fundamental aspects of it wrong though.