I think everyone is entitled to make their own choices about this stuff. My experiences with Christianity have been at worst mildly annoying and at best thoroughly charitable and caring.
My gay friend? His experiences have been less positive, of course. He hates church people.
I would say that the best way for church people to deal with this is by being the kind, understanding people that they want everyone to see them as. But I suppose they can do whatever the fuck they like and it's not my business.
Exactly, you can do and believe whatever you want, but once it affects me, we have a problem. And the issue with Christians specifically, is that their bible is clearly against premarital sex. So they feel like they are acting on behalf of god when they judge people for it. So if you are a christian and you don't care about people sinning (like premarital sex), then you are not much of a christian at all.
I think it depends. I know a fair few Christians who don't take the Bible literally because they accept that it's an old book that has been mistranslated in some parts. I don't know the ins and outs of how this works, you'd have to ask them about that... But it essentially means that they just try and be loving and caring and thank Jesus for stuff. They are ok with premarital sex and gay people and all that sort of thing.
I'm not sure what to make of it as it sort of sounds like you're just picking and choosing the bits that you follow depending on your personal desires. But they tend not to be very judgemental, so I guess that's good?
What you describe is what is best for us 'hethens' that like to be left alone. But when I still went to church, this is the type of thing they preached against. They made it pretty clear that common practices that broke tge bible were no less a horrible sin than in biblical times. Believing some, but not all of a book sounds pretty fucking dumb to me.
I have a great appreciation for the spiritual side of religion. I don't believe in anything myself but I understand why others would, and I'm happy to pontificate with them about who or what God would be.
But once you start getting into books and rules... You've lost me. I just don't understand why a higher being would bother to do any of the things that God has apparently done, according to the Bible. Occam's razor - it seems much more likely to me that a very long time ago a bunch of people who didn't understand much about the world around them ascribed religious meaning to things that they couldn't comprehend, and wrote about it at length. And here we are a few thousand years later.
Your clearly more open to it than I am, but you still don't buy the worst part so I get it. I personally don't even bother to theorize how the world came to be or where the bible is from. Nobody knows anything for sure about it, and what someone believes does not impact everyday lifd if they don't subscribe to a certain religion. So when people ask me what I think I say "I don't know and I don't care!"
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I think everyone is entitled to make their own choices about this stuff. My experiences with Christianity have been at worst mildly annoying and at best thoroughly charitable and caring.
My gay friend? His experiences have been less positive, of course. He hates church people.
I would say that the best way for church people to deal with this is by being the kind, understanding people that they want everyone to see them as. But I suppose they can do whatever the fuck they like and it's not my business.
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Exactly, you can do and believe whatever you want, but once it affects me, we have a problem. And the issue with Christians specifically, is that their bible is clearly against premarital sex. So they feel like they are acting on behalf of god when they judge people for it. So if you are a christian and you don't care about people sinning (like premarital sex), then you are not much of a christian at all.
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I think it depends. I know a fair few Christians who don't take the Bible literally because they accept that it's an old book that has been mistranslated in some parts. I don't know the ins and outs of how this works, you'd have to ask them about that... But it essentially means that they just try and be loving and caring and thank Jesus for stuff. They are ok with premarital sex and gay people and all that sort of thing.
I'm not sure what to make of it as it sort of sounds like you're just picking and choosing the bits that you follow depending on your personal desires. But they tend not to be very judgemental, so I guess that's good?
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What you describe is what is best for us 'hethens' that like to be left alone. But when I still went to church, this is the type of thing they preached against. They made it pretty clear that common practices that broke tge bible were no less a horrible sin than in biblical times. Believing some, but not all of a book sounds pretty fucking dumb to me.
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I have a great appreciation for the spiritual side of religion. I don't believe in anything myself but I understand why others would, and I'm happy to pontificate with them about who or what God would be.
But once you start getting into books and rules... You've lost me. I just don't understand why a higher being would bother to do any of the things that God has apparently done, according to the Bible. Occam's razor - it seems much more likely to me that a very long time ago a bunch of people who didn't understand much about the world around them ascribed religious meaning to things that they couldn't comprehend, and wrote about it at length. And here we are a few thousand years later.
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Your clearly more open to it than I am, but you still don't buy the worst part so I get it. I personally don't even bother to theorize how the world came to be or where the bible is from. Nobody knows anything for sure about it, and what someone believes does not impact everyday lifd if they don't subscribe to a certain religion. So when people ask me what I think I say "I don't know and I don't care!"