If the universe was less fine tuned it could not exist as we know it. electro magnetism and gravity can't be altered. If gravity was grater it would all be pulled back together if it was less suns and planets could not form. If we didn't have the giant planets we would not exist as they protect us from comets and asteroids.
If the tuner had a dial and moved it one click no planets no stars no us.
I am going to address your response but I just wanted to point out real quick that we are talking about completely different things. The reason I want to point that out is because so many people seem to confuse them as being the same thing. The OP's question was about if the Bible is a book of fact or fiction, and that is what my respone was related to. What you are doing is stating what you believe is proof of devine intervention, but that has nothing to do with the Bible.
That's because it is possible for devine intervention to have been invloved in the creation of the universe, but also possible that such devine intervention did not occur in a way that is even close to the Biblical representation and that the Bible could still be 100% fiction. In fact, there are billions of people who believe that devine intervention was involved in the creation of the universe, but also do not believe in the Bible at all. So simply stating that devine intervention must have played a part in the creation, is not the same as saying anything in the Bible is true, nor would it be proof that anything in the Bible is true.
Now, to the point you are making, what you are describing is not God, it is math and physics. You are also confusing cause and effect. The universe and all of its parts had to lay out in a certain way for us to be exactly where we are now. There were also a tremendous amount of others ways things could have occurred that would have resulted in a different universe, or no universe.
Everyone of those possibilities would have faced tremendous odds of occurring, but one of them was going to occur. So while the fact that this particular situation came to be against incredible odds may seem devine to you, it is really no more devine than any of the other possibilities.
People win the power ball all the time. There are literally hundreds of millions of possibilities that can play out. The one possibility that needed to play out for the people who won to win might seem incredible. But the truth is those numbers occurring are no more or less incredible than any of the other sequence of numbers, many of which may have resulted in no winner at all. That is not proof that devine intervention helped someone win the power ball, that is just math.
Just because the odds against something happening are long, doesn't mean that devine intervention was required for it to happen, and it certainly doesn't prove devine intervention was involved. So while you are welcome to see the hand of God in the creation of the universe for those reasons if you so choose, the universe is very capable of coming in to being with out a god of any kind.
I was making the point that something so finely tuned may suggest a intelligent designer.
Name the tuner what you want God, ET or ?
A giant explosion has never created anything except a mess. It would be like setting off a big bomb in a library and when it settled down it had made a Webster's dictionary. Or a hurricane going through a junk yard and making a space shuttle.
I understand the point you were making, I said in my response that was the point you were making. I also explained why I disagreed with it. This is all covered in my third and fourth paragraph. As you have not said anything new other than to confirm I understood you correctly, I see no reason to repeat the response I already gave.
As to what you said about library explosions and hurricanes, it really doesn't apply, because those are not among the possible outcomes of those scenarios. As I already explained, based on the math and physics you yourself mentioned the universe as we know it was a possible outcome. It was an unlikely outcome as I said, but no more unlikely than any other possible outcome. As I said, just because something is unlikely doesn't mean it requires devine intervention. As I also said, if you wish to choose to see the hand of God in it, fell free. But it does not require devine intervention.
I can't prove the Bible fake but I don't want to believe in it
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If the universe was less fine tuned it could not exist as we know it. electro magnetism and gravity can't be altered. If gravity was grater it would all be pulled back together if it was less suns and planets could not form. If we didn't have the giant planets we would not exist as they protect us from comets and asteroids.
If the tuner had a dial and moved it one click no planets no stars no us.
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I am going to address your response but I just wanted to point out real quick that we are talking about completely different things. The reason I want to point that out is because so many people seem to confuse them as being the same thing. The OP's question was about if the Bible is a book of fact or fiction, and that is what my respone was related to. What you are doing is stating what you believe is proof of devine intervention, but that has nothing to do with the Bible.
That's because it is possible for devine intervention to have been invloved in the creation of the universe, but also possible that such devine intervention did not occur in a way that is even close to the Biblical representation and that the Bible could still be 100% fiction. In fact, there are billions of people who believe that devine intervention was involved in the creation of the universe, but also do not believe in the Bible at all. So simply stating that devine intervention must have played a part in the creation, is not the same as saying anything in the Bible is true, nor would it be proof that anything in the Bible is true.
Now, to the point you are making, what you are describing is not God, it is math and physics. You are also confusing cause and effect. The universe and all of its parts had to lay out in a certain way for us to be exactly where we are now. There were also a tremendous amount of others ways things could have occurred that would have resulted in a different universe, or no universe.
Everyone of those possibilities would have faced tremendous odds of occurring, but one of them was going to occur. So while the fact that this particular situation came to be against incredible odds may seem devine to you, it is really no more devine than any of the other possibilities.
People win the power ball all the time. There are literally hundreds of millions of possibilities that can play out. The one possibility that needed to play out for the people who won to win might seem incredible. But the truth is those numbers occurring are no more or less incredible than any of the other sequence of numbers, many of which may have resulted in no winner at all. That is not proof that devine intervention helped someone win the power ball, that is just math.
Just because the odds against something happening are long, doesn't mean that devine intervention was required for it to happen, and it certainly doesn't prove devine intervention was involved. So while you are welcome to see the hand of God in the creation of the universe for those reasons if you so choose, the universe is very capable of coming in to being with out a god of any kind.
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I was making the point that something so finely tuned may suggest a intelligent designer.
Name the tuner what you want God, ET or ?
A giant explosion has never created anything except a mess. It would be like setting off a big bomb in a library and when it settled down it had made a Webster's dictionary. Or a hurricane going through a junk yard and making a space shuttle.
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I understand the point you were making, I said in my response that was the point you were making. I also explained why I disagreed with it. This is all covered in my third and fourth paragraph. As you have not said anything new other than to confirm I understood you correctly, I see no reason to repeat the response I already gave.
As to what you said about library explosions and hurricanes, it really doesn't apply, because those are not among the possible outcomes of those scenarios. As I already explained, based on the math and physics you yourself mentioned the universe as we know it was a possible outcome. It was an unlikely outcome as I said, but no more unlikely than any other possible outcome. As I said, just because something is unlikely doesn't mean it requires devine intervention. As I also said, if you wish to choose to see the hand of God in it, fell free. But it does not require devine intervention.