What you are imagining is Luke digigstruct in borderlands that's not how it works in real life. You cant make something out of nothing. Plus you forget people thought we would have flying cars by this point.
You simply cant do construction with robots.nor manufacturing. And yea I still work it. I make just shy of 20$ an hour in a state who's minimum wage is 7.25 wich is what manh places pay. To not work for more than double is idiotic when you can. You really have clearly never worked manufacturing then.
Machines cant quality check they just cant. Nor can they communicate effectively in such a location. Communication being essential. Theres so many variables in manufacturing that you can easily have the easiest day if your life or the hardest with a snap of a finger. Something anyone who's worked such a job knows. uNless we somehow get the robots from that will Smith movie with an intelligence and capality like that it's not gonna happen.
Wich creating a bipedal robot is far 2 difficult and anything with more than 2 legs is gonna be 2 damn big for manufacturing.
Just look at my job. Something goes across the belt it might fly off, get tuck or go through perfectly. The next item of the exact same cut slightly diffrent weight plays those same dice. I've seen hundreds of them go through perfectly than it gets stuck for no reason. The cost alone to program and create something that could replace humans would cost more than anything a human could ever cost. It's not happening. Not in 100 not in a 1000 it's far 2 difficult and costly. Not to mention unethical. Even doctors cant be robots. This isnt some universe were you can just inject yourself with something and watch your wounds close. You need a dock. Wounds vary in far too many regards both internally and externally.
Machines are good and very helpful but they are nothing more than a tool. They will never replace humans.
I don't think you understand what I'm saying. Imagine a video game. Do you think it's possible to write a bit of code that loops a particular fish in and out of existence ad Infinitum? Well, reality simulation is basically a video game, except it's so advanced that it's impossible to tell it apart from the real world. Do you think it's possible to programme such a virtual world to have the resources that the people inside it desire?
I think you should say this to factories which are fully, 100% autonomous (https://www.siliconrepublic.com/machines/automated-factories-video). Construction is a bit more complicated than manufacturing, although construction robot prototypes already exist and will replace construction workers in the near future (https://www.robotics.org/blog-article.cfm/Construction-Robots-Will-Change-the-Industry-Forever/93). You are right in saying that I have never worked in manufacturing, but I do have access to the internet, which tells me that some factories are fully autonomous, which will be true regardless of whether I or you have ever worked in manufacturing.
Indeed, machines can perform quality checks, sometimes better than humans (https://www.sheltonvision.co.uk/news/automated-quality-control-vs-manual-inspection/). Some products are too complex for machines to master currently, but, as is the case with every other human job in existence, this will change in the not-so-distant future. Also, even if you believe that mastering your job requires human-level intelligence, human-level intelligence will itself be achieved in ~100 years' time. Sooner or later, even the most sophisticated jobs will get automated.
Mobile bipedal robots already exist. See Atlas from Boston Dynamics, who I'm sure you'll have heard of or seen, as one example.
You are thinking linearly. To you, the next 1000 years will see 1000 years' worth of modern-day progress. Very counterintuitively, they will actually see more like 10,000,000 years' worth of modern-day progress. What this also means is that some things which you see as totally outrageous and unrealistic, and which are currently far too expensive to impossible to manufacture, like robots which can replace your job, are actually likely to become reality in the near future. When I say "in the next 100 years", you should really read that as "in the next 20,000 years", as that would be a more accurate representation of the amount of progress that we will make in this time period. And I think you would agree with me that it isn't that far-fetched to say that AI may become advanced enough and cheap enough to be a viable replacement for humans in your field.
Believe or not, robots have been better at diagnosing diseases than humans for over 30 years. Now, diagnosis is only a small part of the field of medicine, but, as AI becomes more precise and general, it will be able to cure the diseases that it diagnoses as well. Actually, doctors (apart from perhaps psychiatrists and other types of doctors whose field of expertise is based around social interaction, or in which social interaction plays an important part) are likely to be fully replaced by robots in the next 30 or so years.
I'm not even gonna bother reading this. Yea in a video game go for it but at the end of the day virtual reality isn't reality we have nutritional needs
You still don't get it. I don't mean virtual reality. I mean a full-on "Matrix", to put it in terms you are more likely to understand. Every function of our body will be digitally simulated, and it would be impossible to differentiate this simulated world from the "real" world. That is to say, if you closed your eyes and were told you'd be either kept in the real world or be transferred to the simulated world, you'd have precisely a 50% chance of guessing whether you are in the real world or not, no matter how much time I give you to explore the world that you are in. Btw, none of this will be done through "VR glasses" or whatever - either the human brain itself will be digitally recreated, or the neurons in the real human brains will be manipulated in such a way as to produce the experience of being in the virtual world. There won't be any nutritional needs in such a world.
If you don't want to read my previous comment, here is a short summary: basically, for every thing that you claim is impossible to ever produce, I provide a link to a real-world example such a thing that exists today. Towards the end, I also explain how your thinking is linear, while progress is super-exponential (faster than exponential), meaning that 100 years in your understanding are actually 20,000 real-life years, while 1000 years in your understanding are 10,000,000 real-life years. I conclude by saying that you'd probably agree with me that your job may become automated in 20,000 years, which translates to 100 actual years, which matches up with my prediction that the world will become fully automated in ~100 years. That's it.
Not pointing fingers at anyone, but I think Dunning-Kruger effect might be a factor here. If you could just open your mind up to the possibility that I just might have a point (even if I don't) and try to genuinely understand what I'm saying, we could have an interesting conversation instead of the time sink that part of this thread kind of was. Anyway, you do you. Have a great day!
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What you are imagining is Luke digigstruct in borderlands that's not how it works in real life. You cant make something out of nothing. Plus you forget people thought we would have flying cars by this point.
You simply cant do construction with robots.nor manufacturing. And yea I still work it. I make just shy of 20$ an hour in a state who's minimum wage is 7.25 wich is what manh places pay. To not work for more than double is idiotic when you can. You really have clearly never worked manufacturing then.
Machines cant quality check they just cant. Nor can they communicate effectively in such a location. Communication being essential. Theres so many variables in manufacturing that you can easily have the easiest day if your life or the hardest with a snap of a finger. Something anyone who's worked such a job knows. uNless we somehow get the robots from that will Smith movie with an intelligence and capality like that it's not gonna happen.
Wich creating a bipedal robot is far 2 difficult and anything with more than 2 legs is gonna be 2 damn big for manufacturing.
Just look at my job. Something goes across the belt it might fly off, get tuck or go through perfectly. The next item of the exact same cut slightly diffrent weight plays those same dice. I've seen hundreds of them go through perfectly than it gets stuck for no reason. The cost alone to program and create something that could replace humans would cost more than anything a human could ever cost. It's not happening. Not in 100 not in a 1000 it's far 2 difficult and costly. Not to mention unethical. Even doctors cant be robots. This isnt some universe were you can just inject yourself with something and watch your wounds close. You need a dock. Wounds vary in far too many regards both internally and externally.
Machines are good and very helpful but they are nothing more than a tool. They will never replace humans.
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I don't think you understand what I'm saying. Imagine a video game. Do you think it's possible to write a bit of code that loops a particular fish in and out of existence ad Infinitum? Well, reality simulation is basically a video game, except it's so advanced that it's impossible to tell it apart from the real world. Do you think it's possible to programme such a virtual world to have the resources that the people inside it desire?
I think you should say this to factories which are fully, 100% autonomous (https://www.siliconrepublic.com/machines/automated-factories-video). Construction is a bit more complicated than manufacturing, although construction robot prototypes already exist and will replace construction workers in the near future (https://www.robotics.org/blog-article.cfm/Construction-Robots-Will-Change-the-Industry-Forever/93). You are right in saying that I have never worked in manufacturing, but I do have access to the internet, which tells me that some factories are fully autonomous, which will be true regardless of whether I or you have ever worked in manufacturing.
Indeed, machines can perform quality checks, sometimes better than humans (https://www.sheltonvision.co.uk/news/automated-quality-control-vs-manual-inspection/). Some products are too complex for machines to master currently, but, as is the case with every other human job in existence, this will change in the not-so-distant future. Also, even if you believe that mastering your job requires human-level intelligence, human-level intelligence will itself be achieved in ~100 years' time. Sooner or later, even the most sophisticated jobs will get automated.
Mobile bipedal robots already exist. See Atlas from Boston Dynamics, who I'm sure you'll have heard of or seen, as one example.
You are thinking linearly. To you, the next 1000 years will see 1000 years' worth of modern-day progress. Very counterintuitively, they will actually see more like 10,000,000 years' worth of modern-day progress. What this also means is that some things which you see as totally outrageous and unrealistic, and which are currently far too expensive to impossible to manufacture, like robots which can replace your job, are actually likely to become reality in the near future. When I say "in the next 100 years", you should really read that as "in the next 20,000 years", as that would be a more accurate representation of the amount of progress that we will make in this time period. And I think you would agree with me that it isn't that far-fetched to say that AI may become advanced enough and cheap enough to be a viable replacement for humans in your field.
Believe or not, robots have been better at diagnosing diseases than humans for over 30 years. Now, diagnosis is only a small part of the field of medicine, but, as AI becomes more precise and general, it will be able to cure the diseases that it diagnoses as well. Actually, doctors (apart from perhaps psychiatrists and other types of doctors whose field of expertise is based around social interaction, or in which social interaction plays an important part) are likely to be fully replaced by robots in the next 30 or so years.
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I'm not even gonna bother reading this. Yea in a video game go for it but at the end of the day virtual reality isn't reality we have nutritional needs
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You still don't get it. I don't mean virtual reality. I mean a full-on "Matrix", to put it in terms you are more likely to understand. Every function of our body will be digitally simulated, and it would be impossible to differentiate this simulated world from the "real" world. That is to say, if you closed your eyes and were told you'd be either kept in the real world or be transferred to the simulated world, you'd have precisely a 50% chance of guessing whether you are in the real world or not, no matter how much time I give you to explore the world that you are in. Btw, none of this will be done through "VR glasses" or whatever - either the human brain itself will be digitally recreated, or the neurons in the real human brains will be manipulated in such a way as to produce the experience of being in the virtual world. There won't be any nutritional needs in such a world.
If you don't want to read my previous comment, here is a short summary: basically, for every thing that you claim is impossible to ever produce, I provide a link to a real-world example such a thing that exists today. Towards the end, I also explain how your thinking is linear, while progress is super-exponential (faster than exponential), meaning that 100 years in your understanding are actually 20,000 real-life years, while 1000 years in your understanding are 10,000,000 real-life years. I conclude by saying that you'd probably agree with me that your job may become automated in 20,000 years, which translates to 100 actual years, which matches up with my prediction that the world will become fully automated in ~100 years. That's it.
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Well otd true what they say you just csnt fix stupid
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Not pointing fingers at anyone, but I think Dunning-Kruger effect might be a factor here. If you could just open your mind up to the possibility that I just might have a point (even if I don't) and try to genuinely understand what I'm saying, we could have an interesting conversation instead of the time sink that part of this thread kind of was. Anyway, you do you. Have a great day!