I'm genuinely confused at how you're reading what I'm writing but replying the way you are
There is nothing wrong with being autistic, for the third time, I'm diagnosed autistic.
A really good example is how crystals form, all of the composites, density, temperature, and so many other factors are at play; you can have two pieces of diamond that formed completely differently from each other
The brain is the same thing, for whatever reasons 1 in 59 people develop as autistic; that's great and exciting
But what's not exciting is having a discussion with someone that started out great but turned into, at this point I don't care thanks to how you're behaving, an autistic man child slamming his fists on the table because he processed something that doesn't make him feel good
Good day
I reread what you said, you're claiming developmentally delayed is a misnomer because autistic people stop developing ten to fifteen years before someone who isn't autistic?
Anyway, I'm sorry you're choosing to reinforce your presuppositions about what I'm saying rather than engaging in conversation to actually see what I'm saying
If I may begin, I'm an 18 yr old female, not some "man child".
Secondly, I said we develop more RAPIDLY so we AREN'T at the same mental maturity a neurotypical would have reached by their teens, we're beyond, we've reached the same maturity as a neurotypical 25-30 yr old in a shorter amount of time. That isn't delayed.
Even if you aren't ableist and I misunderstood, being autistic yourself doesn't make you exempt from ableist thought patterns, I've known autistics who are. I was annoyed because your wording made it seem that way. There's already mountains of misinformation surrounding us and I didn't want it being perpetuated, I thought it was an opportunity to help someone and show them a new viewpoint.
In retrospect I realize I did act extremely abrasively and aggressively in the latter part of the discussion and I apologize for that, I know it just puts people off instead of making them want to tune in and I tried to correct that somewhat above, brusqueness is something I struggle with.
I honestly never heard that before, if I understand correctly you're saying that people with autism develop mentally quicker than people without? I had to look that up, to me that was almost contrary to what autism is.
I mostly found articles like this, then it dove into how autism affects old age.
It's saying, basically, there's a correlation of people with autism being larger. They're typically born with larger heads, which correlates with a bigger pituitary gland which reasonably would be way more efficient at developing hormones.
I do not have any dispute over that, but that article only states they're only producing more "insulin growth hormones" and the only noticed differences are larger bodies.
So my question would be, is there something related to being autistic and being born larger? It does seem like it would be beneficial to be larger if you're autistic, and I don't think they mentioned any of the 70 autistic boys not being bigger than any of the 50 non autistic boys
I just don't see them saying this helps them mature to a point mentally when their brain would reach its ultimate development and beyond, and honestly, even if it did, it would still proportionally have the same amount to go through if their brain is still developing at the same rate as a non autistic.
The last thing that makes me sceptical about that claim, by clinical definitions, autism is a deficiency in certain ways; it does not make sense to me to say for someone who has those deficiencies is cognitively more developed than someone who isn't autistic.
I shared a study with you, if you'd like to show me one I'll read it. I'm all about perspective and love seeing things from new viewpoints. I'm glad we're at this point.
I've developed mentally so much further with psychology than I ever would have with out. I feel like I've walked through the mirror, if that makes sense. I've also learned about Buddhism and meditation.
I'm naturally curious. This is a great site. I can read an interesting topic and start a discussion, which is more enriching to me than trolling. I just want to see what people say and say what I think.
I've never heard of autistics having larger head to body ratios and taller heights, so I'm not knowledgeable enough to have much input on that aside from the fact that I and some other autistics I know personally are actually shorter than average :/ I have a tall parent and grandparents and I still ended up small despite being autistic.
Even if autistics are developing mental maturity quicker, they still end up at the same point neurotypicals do, just at a different rate, so in the end it's not necessarily a deficit or boon. At least that's what I've heard/understand. Admittedly, it may not appear this way (to neurotypicals mostly) at times because of things they don't relate to like emotional dysregulation, executive dysfunction, unusually passionate interests, and hypersensitivity to stimuli causing meltdowns/shutdowns, so that's probably why it's often thought the opposite (less mental/emotional maturity and cognitive aptitude) is true. Things like what I just listed don't have to do with neoteny (the retention of childlike traits) because they're even present and often very noticeable when autistics are children and sometimes even as infants/toddlers.
When I'm talking about development, social/language (utilization) development and often physical coordination to some degree is still impaired and (although many disagree) often intellect is unaffected. IQ is often measured by logic, pattern recognition, spatial reasoning, fact processing and recollection speed, and ability to absorb and apply new information to new situations (problem solving), all of these things autistics usually are good with, yet people still think we're not as smart.
The study I linked mentioned they couldn't test on girls, since girls are less likely to have autism and they couldn't find enough candidates.
The things you mentioned do seem like deficits. I mean, I know what I was like at my lows. I went through a lot of things that I would call the setbacks of autism, so when I talk about them it's from a place of experience, not ableism. I for one can say yes, autism has made it necessary to work harder for success.
The biggest fallacy I had during this time, was that the benefits of autism heavily outweighed the setbacks; who cares about social interactions when you have an answer for everything? I was in honors classes getting As while sleeping in class, but outside of homework, tests, and projects I was useless in the classroom.
When I say developmentally delayed, it doesn't literally mean a 14 year old in the body of a 30 year old. There are levels of consciousness, stages of development that define how you interact with the world around you. Those stages and levels are based more on the average development of people, not necessarily exclusive to neuro typical people.
And it's not like you can be stuck at a certain point and not process anything new; there's tons of evidence of people across all spectrums who are able to learn math, cook something different, use different remotes. But if they stopped mentally growing through for examples, Erickson's psychological development, Kohlberg's moral development, Piaget's cognitive development, then they would start seeing the world through a distorted lense after a certain point
I mean you can see this in anyone. Just watch an Adam Sandler movie where he learns a lesson. The lack of development over time leads to a noticeable deficit that negatively impacts your life.
So it's not something like, because as a child you played with dolls and since you stopped developing mentally at that time you'll always play with dolls for life, it's more like, if you never develop certain mental traits, you'll cognitively function as the ascribed mental age equivalent of a person who is in the process of developing those traits.
I wouldn't say intellect is unaffected, but I think most people will have that spark that compels them, and I think that's what you mean when intellect is unaffected.
But it's not enough to pass an IQ test well, those tests are more for capacity than current level. So yes, you could have a savant score 200, but could they survive without direct supervision?
Ah, thank you for explaining and clarifying your use of development, I'm not familiar with Erikson's theory and the others so I'll have to look into them more.
No yeah autism definitely has its downsides, I'm not denying that, my weak points have/had a large impact on my day to day life. I mean certain traits we have may be confused with or taken as signs of intellectual inferiority or immaturity/underdevelopment when they're not really related and it can lead to a lot of misconceptions and bias.
I know what you mean, in high school I called it anxiety whenever I talked to people and felt immensely uncomfortable, and I could see the judgement from others which made it worse.
But now I look at that feeling as an insecurity, and I try to figure why I feel that way, how it might have developed that way, how should I handle it, etc.
I still see judgment and stuff from others when I'm being quirky, but I'm able to look at that more as a deficit on their end than mine.
How would you feel about someone not making eye contact?
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I'm genuinely confused at how you're reading what I'm writing but replying the way you are
There is nothing wrong with being autistic, for the third time, I'm diagnosed autistic.
A really good example is how crystals form, all of the composites, density, temperature, and so many other factors are at play; you can have two pieces of diamond that formed completely differently from each other
The brain is the same thing, for whatever reasons 1 in 59 people develop as autistic; that's great and exciting
But what's not exciting is having a discussion with someone that started out great but turned into, at this point I don't care thanks to how you're behaving, an autistic man child slamming his fists on the table because he processed something that doesn't make him feel good
Good day
I reread what you said, you're claiming developmentally delayed is a misnomer because autistic people stop developing ten to fifteen years before someone who isn't autistic?
Anyway, I'm sorry you're choosing to reinforce your presuppositions about what I'm saying rather than engaging in conversation to actually see what I'm saying
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If I may begin, I'm an 18 yr old female, not some "man child".
Secondly, I said we develop more RAPIDLY so we AREN'T at the same mental maturity a neurotypical would have reached by their teens, we're beyond, we've reached the same maturity as a neurotypical 25-30 yr old in a shorter amount of time. That isn't delayed.
Even if you aren't ableist and I misunderstood, being autistic yourself doesn't make you exempt from ableist thought patterns, I've known autistics who are. I was annoyed because your wording made it seem that way. There's already mountains of misinformation surrounding us and I didn't want it being perpetuated, I thought it was an opportunity to help someone and show them a new viewpoint.
In retrospect I realize I did act extremely abrasively and aggressively in the latter part of the discussion and I apologize for that, I know it just puts people off instead of making them want to tune in and I tried to correct that somewhat above, brusqueness is something I struggle with.
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I honestly never heard that before, if I understand correctly you're saying that people with autism develop mentally quicker than people without? I had to look that up, to me that was almost contrary to what autism is.
https://www.nih.gov/news-events/news-releases/boys-autism-related-disorders-have-high-levels-growth-hormones
I mostly found articles like this, then it dove into how autism affects old age.
It's saying, basically, there's a correlation of people with autism being larger. They're typically born with larger heads, which correlates with a bigger pituitary gland which reasonably would be way more efficient at developing hormones.
I do not have any dispute over that, but that article only states they're only producing more "insulin growth hormones" and the only noticed differences are larger bodies.
So my question would be, is there something related to being autistic and being born larger? It does seem like it would be beneficial to be larger if you're autistic, and I don't think they mentioned any of the 70 autistic boys not being bigger than any of the 50 non autistic boys
I just don't see them saying this helps them mature to a point mentally when their brain would reach its ultimate development and beyond, and honestly, even if it did, it would still proportionally have the same amount to go through if their brain is still developing at the same rate as a non autistic.
The last thing that makes me sceptical about that claim, by clinical definitions, autism is a deficiency in certain ways; it does not make sense to me to say for someone who has those deficiencies is cognitively more developed than someone who isn't autistic.
I shared a study with you, if you'd like to show me one I'll read it. I'm all about perspective and love seeing things from new viewpoints. I'm glad we're at this point.
I've developed mentally so much further with psychology than I ever would have with out. I feel like I've walked through the mirror, if that makes sense. I've also learned about Buddhism and meditation.
I'm naturally curious. This is a great site. I can read an interesting topic and start a discussion, which is more enriching to me than trolling. I just want to see what people say and say what I think.
No hard feelings
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I've never heard of autistics having larger head to body ratios and taller heights, so I'm not knowledgeable enough to have much input on that aside from the fact that I and some other autistics I know personally are actually shorter than average :/ I have a tall parent and grandparents and I still ended up small despite being autistic.
Even if autistics are developing mental maturity quicker, they still end up at the same point neurotypicals do, just at a different rate, so in the end it's not necessarily a deficit or boon. At least that's what I've heard/understand. Admittedly, it may not appear this way (to neurotypicals mostly) at times because of things they don't relate to like emotional dysregulation, executive dysfunction, unusually passionate interests, and hypersensitivity to stimuli causing meltdowns/shutdowns, so that's probably why it's often thought the opposite (less mental/emotional maturity and cognitive aptitude) is true. Things like what I just listed don't have to do with neoteny (the retention of childlike traits) because they're even present and often very noticeable when autistics are children and sometimes even as infants/toddlers.
When I'm talking about development, social/language (utilization) development and often physical coordination to some degree is still impaired and (although many disagree) often intellect is unaffected. IQ is often measured by logic, pattern recognition, spatial reasoning, fact processing and recollection speed, and ability to absorb and apply new information to new situations (problem solving), all of these things autistics usually are good with, yet people still think we're not as smart.
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The study I linked mentioned they couldn't test on girls, since girls are less likely to have autism and they couldn't find enough candidates.
The things you mentioned do seem like deficits. I mean, I know what I was like at my lows. I went through a lot of things that I would call the setbacks of autism, so when I talk about them it's from a place of experience, not ableism. I for one can say yes, autism has made it necessary to work harder for success.
The biggest fallacy I had during this time, was that the benefits of autism heavily outweighed the setbacks; who cares about social interactions when you have an answer for everything? I was in honors classes getting As while sleeping in class, but outside of homework, tests, and projects I was useless in the classroom.
When I say developmentally delayed, it doesn't literally mean a 14 year old in the body of a 30 year old. There are levels of consciousness, stages of development that define how you interact with the world around you. Those stages and levels are based more on the average development of people, not necessarily exclusive to neuro typical people.
And it's not like you can be stuck at a certain point and not process anything new; there's tons of evidence of people across all spectrums who are able to learn math, cook something different, use different remotes. But if they stopped mentally growing through for examples, Erickson's psychological development, Kohlberg's moral development, Piaget's cognitive development, then they would start seeing the world through a distorted lense after a certain point
I mean you can see this in anyone. Just watch an Adam Sandler movie where he learns a lesson. The lack of development over time leads to a noticeable deficit that negatively impacts your life.
So it's not something like, because as a child you played with dolls and since you stopped developing mentally at that time you'll always play with dolls for life, it's more like, if you never develop certain mental traits, you'll cognitively function as the ascribed mental age equivalent of a person who is in the process of developing those traits.
I wouldn't say intellect is unaffected, but I think most people will have that spark that compels them, and I think that's what you mean when intellect is unaffected.
But it's not enough to pass an IQ test well, those tests are more for capacity than current level. So yes, you could have a savant score 200, but could they survive without direct supervision?
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Ah, thank you for explaining and clarifying your use of development, I'm not familiar with Erikson's theory and the others so I'll have to look into them more.
No yeah autism definitely has its downsides, I'm not denying that, my weak points have/had a large impact on my day to day life. I mean certain traits we have may be confused with or taken as signs of intellectual inferiority or immaturity/underdevelopment when they're not really related and it can lead to a lot of misconceptions and bias.
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I know what you mean, in high school I called it anxiety whenever I talked to people and felt immensely uncomfortable, and I could see the judgement from others which made it worse.
But now I look at that feeling as an insecurity, and I try to figure why I feel that way, how it might have developed that way, how should I handle it, etc.
I still see judgment and stuff from others when I'm being quirky, but I'm able to look at that more as a deficit on their end than mine.