But if you do that, How will the site make money? You Need to have money while running a website....the website would shut down.
I don't think Everyone can see unmoderated posts, well because as everyone knows, there are trolls. And the troll will make a troll post, go on unmoderated, then approve their own posts. IIN would be scattered with stories.
What i think they should do, is somehow Confirm your 18 or older by putting in emails or something.
Davesumba is saying replace revenue gained from Gold with revenue gained from in-site advertising.
Personally I don't have a problem with Gold. It's not like TheManagement took away features or functionality from the non-premium members, they just created a couple of bonus features for those willing to pay. I prefer that to seeing pay-per-click ads imbedded all over the place, or having to use ad-block.
They could make plenty of money by offering ad space to advertisers, like facebook does. And fmylife lets people who sign up for the site for free vote on the unmoderated posts, and that works for them. It doesn't take one troll to vote on his own post to get it through, there is still plenty of people to check it.
And I, and i'm sure plenty of other people, aren't going to pay to use this site, but would love to see unmoderated posts and private message people. I don't really care that I can't, but it would still make the site more enjoyable if I could.
I'd hate to see ads on IIN. The site has a really clean look which is one of the reasons it appeals to me, and I can't think of a way advertising could be done tastefully enough to keep that. I was a bit skeptical that anyone was going to use Gold when it was introduced, but it seems loads of regulars use it.
Also, I think TheManagement once mentioned that it was difficult to find companies willing to use a site like IIN to advertise on because of all the dog sex/incest/weird fetish posts; mainstream advertisers don't usually want to be associated with that kind of content.
haha, that's a good point about the dog sex/incest/fetish. But like I said, there's no reason anyone shouldn't have the Ad Block plug in for their web browser. It prevents ad pop ups, and even in site ads from appearing on any website, like those annoying ads on the side of Facebook which somehow are really closely related to stuff that you search for and look at on other websites.
I *never* use adblock because if I'm using a website that means I want that website to keep existing, and blocking ads means the site gets less money to keep existing. In fact, if IIN hosted ads but everyone used adblock, IIN wouldn't get any money from the ads (because companies won't pay for ads that don't get seen) so there'd be no point it hosting them after all! :P It might sound dramatic, but if everyone used adblock the internet as we know it would cease to exist because the primary system of funding it would collapse.
It'd rather tolerate a few ads to keep the internet from collapsing. However, if a website can more-or-less support itself through subscription services like IIN Gold then there's no reason it should host ads at all. IIN does the bare minimum in advertising (you only have to see it if you're not signed in), and it shouldn't do any more than that unless it requires it to keep afloat.
As far as I'm aware, whether they can depends on the type of advertising they use. The two main types are pay-per-view and pay-per-click. With per-per-view advertising, the company actively pays the host website less because, obviously, the ad gets less views. They can tell because adblock works by actively removing ads so the ad image doesn't download in the first place, rather than downloading the ad image but covering it up with blank space.
With pay-per-click advertising they can't tell because because whether you see the ad or not is irrelevent to whether the host website gets paid; the payment is the same as if you saw the ad but never clicked on it. However, because if less total people see the ad it stands to reason that less total people will click it, the website will still end up getting paid less on a de facto basis.
I don't blame you or anyone else who uses adblock for liking it; it's realy convenient especially because some types of advertising are very invasive. As far as I'm aware, adblock extensions like AdBlock Plus for Firefox can be used to block malware but continue showing ads, which is probably the bet way to use those servcies.
Sorry if you didn't care about knowing all that. I've got a bit of free time so I thought I'd reply back :P
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But if you do that, How will the site make money? You Need to have money while running a website....the website would shut down.
I don't think Everyone can see unmoderated posts, well because as everyone knows, there are trolls. And the troll will make a troll post, go on unmoderated, then approve their own posts. IIN would be scattered with stories.
What i think they should do, is somehow Confirm your 18 or older by putting in emails or something.
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Davesumba is saying replace revenue gained from Gold with revenue gained from in-site advertising.
Personally I don't have a problem with Gold. It's not like TheManagement took away features or functionality from the non-premium members, they just created a couple of bonus features for those willing to pay. I prefer that to seeing pay-per-click ads imbedded all over the place, or having to use ad-block.
They could make plenty of money by offering ad space to advertisers, like facebook does. And fmylife lets people who sign up for the site for free vote on the unmoderated posts, and that works for them. It doesn't take one troll to vote on his own post to get it through, there is still plenty of people to check it.
And I, and i'm sure plenty of other people, aren't going to pay to use this site, but would love to see unmoderated posts and private message people. I don't really care that I can't, but it would still make the site more enjoyable if I could.
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I'd hate to see ads on IIN. The site has a really clean look which is one of the reasons it appeals to me, and I can't think of a way advertising could be done tastefully enough to keep that. I was a bit skeptical that anyone was going to use Gold when it was introduced, but it seems loads of regulars use it.
Also, I think TheManagement once mentioned that it was difficult to find companies willing to use a site like IIN to advertise on because of all the dog sex/incest/weird fetish posts; mainstream advertisers don't usually want to be associated with that kind of content.
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haha, that's a good point about the dog sex/incest/fetish. But like I said, there's no reason anyone shouldn't have the Ad Block plug in for their web browser. It prevents ad pop ups, and even in site ads from appearing on any website, like those annoying ads on the side of Facebook which somehow are really closely related to stuff that you search for and look at on other websites.
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I *never* use adblock because if I'm using a website that means I want that website to keep existing, and blocking ads means the site gets less money to keep existing. In fact, if IIN hosted ads but everyone used adblock, IIN wouldn't get any money from the ads (because companies won't pay for ads that don't get seen) so there'd be no point it hosting them after all! :P It might sound dramatic, but if everyone used adblock the internet as we know it would cease to exist because the primary system of funding it would collapse.
It'd rather tolerate a few ads to keep the internet from collapsing. However, if a website can more-or-less support itself through subscription services like IIN Gold then there's no reason it should host ads at all. IIN does the bare minimum in advertising (you only have to see it if you're not signed in), and it shouldn't do any more than that unless it requires it to keep afloat.
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Well good for you. I don't like ads putting spyware and malicious items on my computer. I didn't know they can tell who actually sees an ad or not.
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As far as I'm aware, whether they can depends on the type of advertising they use. The two main types are pay-per-view and pay-per-click. With per-per-view advertising, the company actively pays the host website less because, obviously, the ad gets less views. They can tell because adblock works by actively removing ads so the ad image doesn't download in the first place, rather than downloading the ad image but covering it up with blank space.
With pay-per-click advertising they can't tell because because whether you see the ad or not is irrelevent to whether the host website gets paid; the payment is the same as if you saw the ad but never clicked on it. However, because if less total people see the ad it stands to reason that less total people will click it, the website will still end up getting paid less on a de facto basis.
I don't blame you or anyone else who uses adblock for liking it; it's realy convenient especially because some types of advertising are very invasive. As far as I'm aware, adblock extensions like AdBlock Plus for Firefox can be used to block malware but continue showing ads, which is probably the bet way to use those servcies.
Sorry if you didn't care about knowing all that. I've got a bit of free time so I thought I'd reply back :P