I would agree with the general notion that President Trump damaged science. However, I would use things other than Covid-19 as his real damage to science in general was to tell people that in many areas to not trust science and documented facts; but, instead go on what President Trump, and others, personally feel is right.
This affected the Covid-19 response; but the damage goes way beyond that. I would argue that the general mistrust of science and facts by a significantly larger portion of the US population will in the end be far more damaging to the US economy than Covid-19.
I also note that President Trump did not do this alone. It's all the other people who jumped on board that created such mistrust. If it was only President Trump there would have been minimal - if any - damage done.
You dont damage science. Let's be honest theres a cult of trump. But there is a WAY bigger cult of biden can do no wrong. Both ignore science.
What was by far more damaging of science was the authoritarian steps taken by our goverment to force vaccines on people. USA citizens are by far the worst people to do this to. By forcing people to have to wear masks and vaccinate sure you are doing great against covid numbers. Though what start to happen is people mistrusting the goverment even more than usual.
Bidens Vaccine mandate is VERY clearly illegal. It has to go through the house and the Senate to mandate private buisnesses and any fines that will be doled out. Shit like that is the reason why there are so many people like me that are pro vaccine but anti mandate and edict.
If there was zero mandates and edicts, sure we would have lots more deaths but that would just cause people vaccinate even more. The actual antivaxers would continue to spout but it's their right to.
I've been away for a few days. I'm away from home to assist a friend.
I have never said President Biden could do no wrong, and have met very few people who claims so. I've even rated him so far as just an average President (since JFK).
I feel that President Biden's direction to I believe it is OSHA to mandate a vaccine is likely legal. Of course, that will not be known until the regulation is implemented and challenged in court.
It is my understanding that OSHA has long standing mandates for certain other vaccines for health care and a few other workers; which have existed for decades.
I do not see why adding another vaccine to the list and broadening the industries affected would not be in the existing powers of OSHA. It is a general health threat to all workers (and not just heath care, etc.).
Life happens you do not have to update me on your personal affairs. As the goverment shouldnt have keep tabs on your personal life.
I would also expect some consistency on the subject of vaccines and ethics. I would be just as supporting of the vaccine mandates only if covid was bubonic plague level of damaging. Covid so far didnt disrupt the world that much due strictly to the illness itself. Thus what is the mass hysteria about when it comes to covid rather than a blatant power grab by those highest in goverment and in local power hierarchies. Some of these mayors really went overboard, far more inhumane then their policies spouted in public media. Leading to general distrust.
The economic instability and the authoritarian edicts that were set up during the beginning of covid should not be forgotten. Closing churches while allowing riots and protests that were clearly biased.
I'm asking as someone who is seeing his goverment creep closer and closer to the authoritarian line. In my opinion the line is where Australia currently is. Building quarantine "containment" zones for their own people. Disgusting.
Dividing people based on vaccination status is reminiscent of stitching star of David's into everyones jacket. The people who dont vaccinate dont pose a threat to those who do vaccinate. People want to make that choice, especially when there are doubters of the methods. Which is completely allowed.
Give it 20 years. Covid vaccinations could pass in public then. Rushing it and painting a happy face on the medical procedure doesnt mask how unsettling that is for people for a goverment to be pushing something that hard for something relatively "harmless" pandemic wise.
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I would agree with the general notion that President Trump damaged science. However, I would use things other than Covid-19 as his real damage to science in general was to tell people that in many areas to not trust science and documented facts; but, instead go on what President Trump, and others, personally feel is right.
This affected the Covid-19 response; but the damage goes way beyond that. I would argue that the general mistrust of science and facts by a significantly larger portion of the US population will in the end be far more damaging to the US economy than Covid-19.
I also note that President Trump did not do this alone. It's all the other people who jumped on board that created such mistrust. If it was only President Trump there would have been minimal - if any - damage done.
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You dont damage science. Let's be honest theres a cult of trump. But there is a WAY bigger cult of biden can do no wrong. Both ignore science.
What was by far more damaging of science was the authoritarian steps taken by our goverment to force vaccines on people. USA citizens are by far the worst people to do this to. By forcing people to have to wear masks and vaccinate sure you are doing great against covid numbers. Though what start to happen is people mistrusting the goverment even more than usual.
Bidens Vaccine mandate is VERY clearly illegal. It has to go through the house and the Senate to mandate private buisnesses and any fines that will be doled out. Shit like that is the reason why there are so many people like me that are pro vaccine but anti mandate and edict.
If there was zero mandates and edicts, sure we would have lots more deaths but that would just cause people vaccinate even more. The actual antivaxers would continue to spout but it's their right to.
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I've been away for a few days. I'm away from home to assist a friend.
I have never said President Biden could do no wrong, and have met very few people who claims so. I've even rated him so far as just an average President (since JFK).
I feel that President Biden's direction to I believe it is OSHA to mandate a vaccine is likely legal. Of course, that will not be known until the regulation is implemented and challenged in court.
It is my understanding that OSHA has long standing mandates for certain other vaccines for health care and a few other workers; which have existed for decades.
I do not see why adding another vaccine to the list and broadening the industries affected would not be in the existing powers of OSHA. It is a general health threat to all workers (and not just heath care, etc.).
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Life happens you do not have to update me on your personal affairs. As the goverment shouldnt have keep tabs on your personal life.
I would also expect some consistency on the subject of vaccines and ethics. I would be just as supporting of the vaccine mandates only if covid was bubonic plague level of damaging. Covid so far didnt disrupt the world that much due strictly to the illness itself. Thus what is the mass hysteria about when it comes to covid rather than a blatant power grab by those highest in goverment and in local power hierarchies. Some of these mayors really went overboard, far more inhumane then their policies spouted in public media. Leading to general distrust.
The economic instability and the authoritarian edicts that were set up during the beginning of covid should not be forgotten. Closing churches while allowing riots and protests that were clearly biased.
I'm asking as someone who is seeing his goverment creep closer and closer to the authoritarian line. In my opinion the line is where Australia currently is. Building quarantine "containment" zones for their own people. Disgusting.
Dividing people based on vaccination status is reminiscent of stitching star of David's into everyones jacket. The people who dont vaccinate dont pose a threat to those who do vaccinate. People want to make that choice, especially when there are doubters of the methods. Which is completely allowed.
Give it 20 years. Covid vaccinations could pass in public then. Rushing it and painting a happy face on the medical procedure doesnt mask how unsettling that is for people for a goverment to be pushing something that hard for something relatively "harmless" pandemic wise.