marriage is man made according to your opinion i agree.now i am extrapolating your point.
lets take an example of traffic signal.Any person belonging to any culture or society know what is the meaning of red and green lights.Red means to stop and vice versa.Imagine if i violate the signal then what will happen.Simple an accident.not only an accident but i have to face legal penalties too.
Assume for a moment that red and green signals are nature(you used the word smiling) and the rules i.e when to stop and when to walk are man made.Both are complementing each other.Rules are made to make the life simple.When we don't follow the rules we make our lives complex with our own hands.
it is not because we belong to different societies.It is what are we following a proper guideline or not.As i said earlier,what you do is not a standard.What we do is we make our desires the reference standards and hate to see beyond it.
I am not criticizing anyone .Read my comments in the same spirit as i have written it.
Don't argue with me try to understand me.
I used smiling because It is a natural impulse, your red-green traffic light thing is a lerned signal, I can prouve it with the fact that in italy (i live there) instead of green we used to use blue, we swiced to green because it was mor understandable for foreners. but I'm a bit confused... I don't quite understand the connection between, traffic lights and marrige standards.
What if this natural impulse is due to any pain or grief?Then how will you judge that the specific person is smiling either due to grief or any thing else.
Smiling always does not mean a person is happy.Humans are complex emotional creature.It is our standard that a person is smiling then he is happy and unhappy if he is weeping.How can one differentiate between ''nature'' and ''man made''.
What i am saying is whether it is nature or any man made rules both are complementing each other because man learned from nature and legislate according to nature.That's why we say ''Rule of Law.'' (nature drives the rules)
In my country marriage is a proper social rule which is followed by everyone.If one doesn't follow then he/she faces the proper legal and social consequences and that is the big reason that our relations are strong.We live as a family.We celebrate each day as mother and father's day.My country is void of any old home.My parents are over 60 but they are not a burden on me instead i am happy to see them everyday and feel lucky to have them with me.
I don't know about your country but in U.S and U.K i didn't see this kind of environment until now.Although i have seen many old homes in there old people live with tears in their eyes and only those people can feel who have an insight eye.
I will not discuss this thing any more.I know it is your cultural values and you are right in your scenario.
I apologize if anyone felt bad or disgusted.......
no the smile is an example but it's a universal signal for happines\joy\suprize. that has nothing to do with some one masking gref with it (thats down to our ability to controll what we show to other humans) ovviasly when I say smile I also mean that the same things can be said for other signals (eyebrowmuvement, lips, body language in general) because thouse are instinctive not lerned. counting numbers with your fingers for example, is not, while most of the western world uses three fingrs raised to say 3, to the indos of ammazonia they point to their whist to say 3 (this is an example). the whay in wich we usualy differentiat between nature and culture, is by finding peoples that have been Isolated from the rest of the humanity, thushaving no contact and no cultural exchange. marrige is not among them, it varies greatly or dosen't exist in some cultures.
also lack marrige dosen't mean that families are more divided, I too am gainst old peoples homes unless the elder person in question, has such bad heath\mental problems that he\she disrupps family life and can't receve correct care at home.
where I live (italy)family is very important, most family members live closly together, even under the same roof, for example I live next door to my parents, my aunts, uncle,cousins,and grand parents live live together only 5 min.walking away. only my brothers who are abroad fo work are away. most of my neighbours of my road are extended families, (like nest door two sisters,and their husbands and sons live together). only half of my family is married but their partners still live toghether.
it's been nice talking to you, I hope you have seen my point of view, clealy we see things diferently.
I am not here to disregard any person's opinion.yes we belong to different school of thought but i will appreciate every opinion if it remains under social and moral limits.
It has been nice talking to you.I learned quite a few things from you.hopefully we will continue similar kind of healthy conversation in future too.
How realistic do you think abstinence until marriage is?
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marriage is man made according to your opinion i agree.now i am extrapolating your point.
lets take an example of traffic signal.Any person belonging to any culture or society know what is the meaning of red and green lights.Red means to stop and vice versa.Imagine if i violate the signal then what will happen.Simple an accident.not only an accident but i have to face legal penalties too.
Assume for a moment that red and green signals are nature(you used the word smiling) and the rules i.e when to stop and when to walk are man made.Both are complementing each other.Rules are made to make the life simple.When we don't follow the rules we make our lives complex with our own hands.
it is not because we belong to different societies.It is what are we following a proper guideline or not.As i said earlier,what you do is not a standard.What we do is we make our desires the reference standards and hate to see beyond it.
I am not criticizing anyone .Read my comments in the same spirit as i have written it.
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I used smiling because It is a natural impulse, your red-green traffic light thing is a lerned signal, I can prouve it with the fact that in italy (i live there) instead of green we used to use blue, we swiced to green because it was mor understandable for foreners. but I'm a bit confused... I don't quite understand the connection between, traffic lights and marrige standards.
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What if this natural impulse is due to any pain or grief?Then how will you judge that the specific person is smiling either due to grief or any thing else.
Smiling always does not mean a person is happy.Humans are complex emotional creature.It is our standard that a person is smiling then he is happy and unhappy if he is weeping.How can one differentiate between ''nature'' and ''man made''.
What i am saying is whether it is nature or any man made rules both are complementing each other because man learned from nature and legislate according to nature.That's why we say ''Rule of Law.'' (nature drives the rules)
In my country marriage is a proper social rule which is followed by everyone.If one doesn't follow then he/she faces the proper legal and social consequences and that is the big reason that our relations are strong.We live as a family.We celebrate each day as mother and father's day.My country is void of any old home.My parents are over 60 but they are not a burden on me instead i am happy to see them everyday and feel lucky to have them with me.
I don't know about your country but in U.S and U.K i didn't see this kind of environment until now.Although i have seen many old homes in there old people live with tears in their eyes and only those people can feel who have an insight eye.
I will not discuss this thing any more.I know it is your cultural values and you are right in your scenario.
I apologize if anyone felt bad or disgusted.......
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no the smile is an example but it's a universal signal for happines\joy\suprize. that has nothing to do with some one masking gref with it (thats down to our ability to controll what we show to other humans) ovviasly when I say smile I also mean that the same things can be said for other signals (eyebrowmuvement, lips, body language in general) because thouse are instinctive not lerned. counting numbers with your fingers for example, is not, while most of the western world uses three fingrs raised to say 3, to the indos of ammazonia they point to their whist to say 3 (this is an example). the whay in wich we usualy differentiat between nature and culture, is by finding peoples that have been Isolated from the rest of the humanity, thushaving no contact and no cultural exchange. marrige is not among them, it varies greatly or dosen't exist in some cultures.
also lack marrige dosen't mean that families are more divided, I too am gainst old peoples homes unless the elder person in question, has such bad heath\mental problems that he\she disrupps family life and can't receve correct care at home.
where I live (italy)family is very important, most family members live closly together, even under the same roof, for example I live next door to my parents, my aunts, uncle,cousins,and grand parents live live together only 5 min.walking away. only my brothers who are abroad fo work are away. most of my neighbours of my road are extended families, (like nest door two sisters,and their husbands and sons live together). only half of my family is married but their partners still live toghether.
it's been nice talking to you, I hope you have seen my point of view, clealy we see things diferently.
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I am not here to disregard any person's opinion.yes we belong to different school of thought but i will appreciate every opinion if it remains under social and moral limits.
It has been nice talking to you.I learned quite a few things from you.hopefully we will continue similar kind of healthy conversation in future too.