Every normal person whether male or female has desire of sex. it is a natural desire and should be fulfilled in a natural way.The natural way is marriage or proper wedding.The marriage is a sacred relation that held responsible both parties morally and socially.
I am a medical student and i know that a man is a higher animal but here i am not teaching all of you biology.I am talking about ethics.Without ethics and moral values no society can flourish.Lower Animals are free to perform or do sex and it is their nature.If both do the same thing then what will be the difference between a man and an animal.?
The thing that separate us from the lower animals is that we think,we all have a thinking brain.We think and decide what is right and what is wrong.We all have emotions and feelings but we know how to control it.That is what the lower animals lack but it is not their fault because it is their nature.That is how the creator creates his world.If a hen has a thinking brain then it was possible that she wouldn't lay eggs and one can think or imagine other examples of that kind too.
When a person doesn't liked to be called a lower animal then he or she must abstain from doing things that lacks the moral values.
I agree with you partialy.
you can't say that marrige is natural because it was creatide by humans.
if you strip the concept to the core(in my culture at least)
it's the union between two individuals linked by love to provide an insurance fo potential kids.
one of the most unique things about humans is the varaiety in social structure, if you take an Indian and a new yorker think how diferent their life stiles are. take a woulf from india and one from america and little changes.
this is the diference between culture and nature,
out human nature is our desire to seek social gain (hierarchy), to find a partner, to procreate, to help other individuals even with out personal gain,to be in the company of others ecc. marrige is not one even thow marrige exists in most cultures it varies immensly: methods of celebration, motives (they can be politica, economica, procreational, compensation of one of the families, poligamy ecc.
and how do you define marrige? must it be proclaimed by the pastor\rabbi\shaman (ecc) or by the leader of the social groop or by the famelies of the cupple??
then not all culture have marrige, (yes some ancient ones don't realy).
even emotional expressions are more the same beetween cultures than marrige (we all smile to say we are happy,don't we?)
moral of the story
marrige=man made
smiling=nature
marriage is man made according to your opinion i agree.now i am extrapolating your point.
lets take an example of traffic signal.Any person belonging to any culture or society know what is the meaning of red and green lights.Red means to stop and vice versa.Imagine if i violate the signal then what will happen.Simple an accident.not only an accident but i have to face legal penalties too.
Assume for a moment that red and green signals are nature(you used the word smiling) and the rules i.e when to stop and when to walk are man made.Both are complementing each other.Rules are made to make the life simple.When we don't follow the rules we make our lives complex with our own hands.
it is not because we belong to different societies.It is what are we following a proper guideline or not.As i said earlier,what you do is not a standard.What we do is we make our desires the reference standards and hate to see beyond it.
I am not criticizing anyone .Read my comments in the same spirit as i have written it.
Don't argue with me try to understand me.
I used smiling because It is a natural impulse, your red-green traffic light thing is a lerned signal, I can prouve it with the fact that in italy (i live there) instead of green we used to use blue, we swiced to green because it was mor understandable for foreners. but I'm a bit confused... I don't quite understand the connection between, traffic lights and marrige standards.
What if this natural impulse is due to any pain or grief?Then how will you judge that the specific person is smiling either due to grief or any thing else.
Smiling always does not mean a person is happy.Humans are complex emotional creature.It is our standard that a person is smiling then he is happy and unhappy if he is weeping.How can one differentiate between ''nature'' and ''man made''.
What i am saying is whether it is nature or any man made rules both are complementing each other because man learned from nature and legislate according to nature.That's why we say ''Rule of Law.'' (nature drives the rules)
In my country marriage is a proper social rule which is followed by everyone.If one doesn't follow then he/she faces the proper legal and social consequences and that is the big reason that our relations are strong.We live as a family.We celebrate each day as mother and father's day.My country is void of any old home.My parents are over 60 but they are not a burden on me instead i am happy to see them everyday and feel lucky to have them with me.
I don't know about your country but in U.S and U.K i didn't see this kind of environment until now.Although i have seen many old homes in there old people live with tears in their eyes and only those people can feel who have an insight eye.
I will not discuss this thing any more.I know it is your cultural values and you are right in your scenario.
I apologize if anyone felt bad or disgusted.......
no the smile is an example but it's a universal signal for happines\joy\suprize. that has nothing to do with some one masking gref with it (thats down to our ability to controll what we show to other humans) ovviasly when I say smile I also mean that the same things can be said for other signals (eyebrowmuvement, lips, body language in general) because thouse are instinctive not lerned. counting numbers with your fingers for example, is not, while most of the western world uses three fingrs raised to say 3, to the indos of ammazonia they point to their whist to say 3 (this is an example). the whay in wich we usualy differentiat between nature and culture, is by finding peoples that have been Isolated from the rest of the humanity, thushaving no contact and no cultural exchange. marrige is not among them, it varies greatly or dosen't exist in some cultures.
also lack marrige dosen't mean that families are more divided, I too am gainst old peoples homes unless the elder person in question, has such bad heath\mental problems that he\she disrupps family life and can't receve correct care at home.
where I live (italy)family is very important, most family members live closly together, even under the same roof, for example I live next door to my parents, my aunts, uncle,cousins,and grand parents live live together only 5 min.walking away. only my brothers who are abroad fo work are away. most of my neighbours of my road are extended families, (like nest door two sisters,and their husbands and sons live together). only half of my family is married but their partners still live toghether.
it's been nice talking to you, I hope you have seen my point of view, clealy we see things diferently.
I am not here to disregard any person's opinion.yes we belong to different school of thought but i will appreciate every opinion if it remains under social and moral limits.
It has been nice talking to you.I learned quite a few things from you.hopefully we will continue similar kind of healthy conversation in future too.
How realistic do you think abstinence until marriage is?
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Every normal person whether male or female has desire of sex. it is a natural desire and should be fulfilled in a natural way.The natural way is marriage or proper wedding.The marriage is a sacred relation that held responsible both parties morally and socially.
I am a medical student and i know that a man is a higher animal but here i am not teaching all of you biology.I am talking about ethics.Without ethics and moral values no society can flourish.Lower Animals are free to perform or do sex and it is their nature.If both do the same thing then what will be the difference between a man and an animal.?
The thing that separate us from the lower animals is that we think,we all have a thinking brain.We think and decide what is right and what is wrong.We all have emotions and feelings but we know how to control it.That is what the lower animals lack but it is not their fault because it is their nature.That is how the creator creates his world.If a hen has a thinking brain then it was possible that she wouldn't lay eggs and one can think or imagine other examples of that kind too.
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I agree with you partialy.
you can't say that marrige is natural because it was creatide by humans.
if you strip the concept to the core(in my culture at least)
it's the union between two individuals linked by love to provide an insurance fo potential kids.
one of the most unique things about humans is the varaiety in social structure, if you take an Indian and a new yorker think how diferent their life stiles are. take a woulf from india and one from america and little changes.
this is the diference between culture and nature,
out human nature is our desire to seek social gain (hierarchy), to find a partner, to procreate, to help other individuals even with out personal gain,to be in the company of others ecc. marrige is not one even thow marrige exists in most cultures it varies immensly: methods of celebration, motives (they can be politica, economica, procreational, compensation of one of the families, poligamy ecc.
and how do you define marrige? must it be proclaimed by the pastor\rabbi\shaman (ecc) or by the leader of the social groop or by the famelies of the cupple??
then not all culture have marrige, (yes some ancient ones don't realy).
even emotional expressions are more the same beetween cultures than marrige (we all smile to say we are happy,don't we?)
moral of the story
marrige=man made
smiling=nature
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marriage is man made according to your opinion i agree.now i am extrapolating your point.
lets take an example of traffic signal.Any person belonging to any culture or society know what is the meaning of red and green lights.Red means to stop and vice versa.Imagine if i violate the signal then what will happen.Simple an accident.not only an accident but i have to face legal penalties too.
Assume for a moment that red and green signals are nature(you used the word smiling) and the rules i.e when to stop and when to walk are man made.Both are complementing each other.Rules are made to make the life simple.When we don't follow the rules we make our lives complex with our own hands.
it is not because we belong to different societies.It is what are we following a proper guideline or not.As i said earlier,what you do is not a standard.What we do is we make our desires the reference standards and hate to see beyond it.
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I used smiling because It is a natural impulse, your red-green traffic light thing is a lerned signal, I can prouve it with the fact that in italy (i live there) instead of green we used to use blue, we swiced to green because it was mor understandable for foreners. but I'm a bit confused... I don't quite understand the connection between, traffic lights and marrige standards.
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What if this natural impulse is due to any pain or grief?Then how will you judge that the specific person is smiling either due to grief or any thing else.
Smiling always does not mean a person is happy.Humans are complex emotional creature.It is our standard that a person is smiling then he is happy and unhappy if he is weeping.How can one differentiate between ''nature'' and ''man made''.
What i am saying is whether it is nature or any man made rules both are complementing each other because man learned from nature and legislate according to nature.That's why we say ''Rule of Law.'' (nature drives the rules)
In my country marriage is a proper social rule which is followed by everyone.If one doesn't follow then he/she faces the proper legal and social consequences and that is the big reason that our relations are strong.We live as a family.We celebrate each day as mother and father's day.My country is void of any old home.My parents are over 60 but they are not a burden on me instead i am happy to see them everyday and feel lucky to have them with me.
I don't know about your country but in U.S and U.K i didn't see this kind of environment until now.Although i have seen many old homes in there old people live with tears in their eyes and only those people can feel who have an insight eye.
I will not discuss this thing any more.I know it is your cultural values and you are right in your scenario.
I apologize if anyone felt bad or disgusted.......
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no the smile is an example but it's a universal signal for happines\joy\suprize. that has nothing to do with some one masking gref with it (thats down to our ability to controll what we show to other humans) ovviasly when I say smile I also mean that the same things can be said for other signals (eyebrowmuvement, lips, body language in general) because thouse are instinctive not lerned. counting numbers with your fingers for example, is not, while most of the western world uses three fingrs raised to say 3, to the indos of ammazonia they point to their whist to say 3 (this is an example). the whay in wich we usualy differentiat between nature and culture, is by finding peoples that have been Isolated from the rest of the humanity, thushaving no contact and no cultural exchange. marrige is not among them, it varies greatly or dosen't exist in some cultures.
also lack marrige dosen't mean that families are more divided, I too am gainst old peoples homes unless the elder person in question, has such bad heath\mental problems that he\she disrupps family life and can't receve correct care at home.
where I live (italy)family is very important, most family members live closly together, even under the same roof, for example I live next door to my parents, my aunts, uncle,cousins,and grand parents live live together only 5 min.walking away. only my brothers who are abroad fo work are away. most of my neighbours of my road are extended families, (like nest door two sisters,and their husbands and sons live together). only half of my family is married but their partners still live toghether.
it's been nice talking to you, I hope you have seen my point of view, clealy we see things diferently.
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I am not here to disregard any person's opinion.yes we belong to different school of thought but i will appreciate every opinion if it remains under social and moral limits.
It has been nice talking to you.I learned quite a few things from you.hopefully we will continue similar kind of healthy conversation in future too.
true, marrige dosen't mean anything in the real world, love does.