Yeah. He really was. It's amazing how one person can so demonstrate the intent of millions. I hope people see him and are inspired to be even a tenth as brave.
Exactly. Like many things, after the problem is great enough to notice it, it is also to great to reverse it. It could be done, but not internationally, and if we can't do it internationally there is no point at all in the long-term.
Human nature created guns, yes. And it is, in many cases, human nature to want to use them.
But what I am trying to get at is, we could save lives by, if it were possible, getting rid of guns and weapons. We could also save lives by changing human nature. One of the two options is much easier to implement than the other, and I suggest we choose that one :)
Getting rid of firearms is no more realistic than changing human nature.
But it is moot, as my official stance is that I will shoot anyone who tries to take my guns. I don't philosophize about it, I don't try to justify it, that's just how it is. I am the apex predator, the creeping cat, the big bear, the swooping eagle, and all the rabbits must do as I say, and I probably eat them anyway. If you're not armed, you're a rabbit, a rabbit who will never be able to change one little thing about the world. If you are armed, it's not much different, but at least you can shoot stuff.
"I don't philosophize about it, I don't try to justify it, that's just how it is".
Maybe you should philosophize about it. Simply accepting something to be true without properly thinking about it is not strengthening your argument. Furthermore, if you think you could stop the government taking your guns if they wanted to you are living in a dream world.
"If you're not armed [... you] will never be able to change one little thing about the world"
What utter bollocks. I don't see Obama carrying a shotgun. I don't see Rupert Murdoch with a sniper rifle. Ghandi certainly never shot anyone. Neither did Martin Luther King. I could go on forever listing names if people who have changed the world beyond recognition without using guns.
"Simply accepting something to be true without properly thinking about it is not strengthening your argument."
I'm not making an argument. A predator does not argue, he kills, he survives, and sometimes he dies. I'm TELLING you that I don't care what anyone thinks, and I do not feel the need to justify myself. Does that make me a bad person? Probably. If you don't like it, shoot me. I'm prepared to die.
"What utter bollocks. I don't see Obama carrying a shotgun. I don't see Rupert Murdoch with a sniper rifle. Ghandi certainly never shot anyone. Neither did Martin Luther King. "
I could not care less about any of those people. They come from completely different worlds than I.
No, but for entirely different reasons than guns. The world was bloodier before then because of the lack of civilisation and co-operation, not because guns were not invented yet. There is no reason to link decreased bloodiness with firearms.
Also, there is a difference between use of guns in war and allowing the man in the street to keep one at home to shoot intruders dead. War (while I hate saying it) can sometimes be justified, but there is no good reason to let your citizens carry guns in peacetime.
The flaw in your reasoning is contained in you phrase "... let your citizens". That's thenub of this. A government sjould servd the cutizens and should properly fear the citizens. Subjects, as opposed to citizens, fear their government. The USA has a second amendment precisely so that the citizens can, as a last resort, destroy an oppressive government. Citizen are soverign; subjects are, well, subject to their government. If you don't think 70 million armed citizens can destroy any government on earth, you haven't read enough history.Gun ownership is about freedom and also responsibility.
Have you ever shot a gun before?
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"I would rid the world of them if I could."
But fortunately, you can't. Armed people will always triumph over unarmed people.
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Not strictly true.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-nXT8lSnPQ
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That guy was awesome.
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Yeah. He really was. It's amazing how one person can so demonstrate the intent of millions. I hope people see him and are inspired to be even a tenth as brave.
of course those without any arms cant hold a gun i the hands theye dont have :3
Exactly. Like many things, after the problem is great enough to notice it, it is also to great to reverse it. It could be done, but not internationally, and if we can't do it internationally there is no point at all in the long-term.
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The "problem" is human nature, not guns.
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Human nature created guns, yes. And it is, in many cases, human nature to want to use them.
But what I am trying to get at is, we could save lives by, if it were possible, getting rid of guns and weapons. We could also save lives by changing human nature. One of the two options is much easier to implement than the other, and I suggest we choose that one :)
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Getting rid of firearms is no more realistic than changing human nature.
But it is moot, as my official stance is that I will shoot anyone who tries to take my guns. I don't philosophize about it, I don't try to justify it, that's just how it is. I am the apex predator, the creeping cat, the big bear, the swooping eagle, and all the rabbits must do as I say, and I probably eat them anyway. If you're not armed, you're a rabbit, a rabbit who will never be able to change one little thing about the world. If you are armed, it's not much different, but at least you can shoot stuff.
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Guns are lame. Bombs are much better for taking out little snobs like you.
"I don't philosophize about it, I don't try to justify it, that's just how it is".
Maybe you should philosophize about it. Simply accepting something to be true without properly thinking about it is not strengthening your argument. Furthermore, if you think you could stop the government taking your guns if they wanted to you are living in a dream world.
"If you're not armed [... you] will never be able to change one little thing about the world"
What utter bollocks. I don't see Obama carrying a shotgun. I don't see Rupert Murdoch with a sniper rifle. Ghandi certainly never shot anyone. Neither did Martin Luther King. I could go on forever listing names if people who have changed the world beyond recognition without using guns.
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Obama would be dead if the scores of people around him weren't carrying guns.
Rupert Murdoch was an avid clay shooter.
King was issued a weapons permit by the state of Alabama after his home was bombed.
Next?
"Simply accepting something to be true without properly thinking about it is not strengthening your argument."
I'm not making an argument. A predator does not argue, he kills, he survives, and sometimes he dies. I'm TELLING you that I don't care what anyone thinks, and I do not feel the need to justify myself. Does that make me a bad person? Probably. If you don't like it, shoot me. I'm prepared to die.
"What utter bollocks. I don't see Obama carrying a shotgun. I don't see Rupert Murdoch with a sniper rifle. Ghandi certainly never shot anyone. Neither did Martin Luther King. "
I could not care less about any of those people. They come from completely different worlds than I.
Do you seriously believe the eotld was les bloody before the invention of firearms? Read history, really
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No, but for entirely different reasons than guns. The world was bloodier before then because of the lack of civilisation and co-operation, not because guns were not invented yet. There is no reason to link decreased bloodiness with firearms.
Also, there is a difference between use of guns in war and allowing the man in the street to keep one at home to shoot intruders dead. War (while I hate saying it) can sometimes be justified, but there is no good reason to let your citizens carry guns in peacetime.
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The flaw in your reasoning is contained in you phrase "... let your citizens". That's thenub of this. A government sjould servd the cutizens and should properly fear the citizens. Subjects, as opposed to citizens, fear their government. The USA has a second amendment precisely so that the citizens can, as a last resort, destroy an oppressive government. Citizen are soverign; subjects are, well, subject to their government. If you don't think 70 million armed citizens can destroy any government on earth, you haven't read enough history.Gun ownership is about freedom and also responsibility.
There is a great reason: I will shoot anyone who tries to take them from me. Allowing the private ownership of firearms saves lives.
I'd argue that hunting necessity first created guns.
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Exactly, and that is my primary use for them.