I think it’s funny how the MAGA crowd argues the left can’t argue without expressing emotions when trump’s campaign was ran on fear. Take the political issue of this stupid fucking wall they keep vouching for, despite the fact that there’s been bipartisan legislation for more thousands of miles of fencing on the border during the Bush and Obama administrations. Many illegal immigrants come by plane and overstay their visas and a wall doesn’t stop that. Not to mention that there is a complex system of underground tunnels and drug cartels have a myriad of ways to smuggle drugs over a wall. But no, let’s waste billions on a wall that would face legal opposition from property owners that live on that as well as face environmental challenges. No, that’s not our argument at all, we just don’t want to build a wall because “it’s racist” yup, no other logical reason.
"Of this stupid fucking wall" way to be emotional and prove my point for me. You did make some good points though ill give you that, but its not wasting money like they'll have you believe. Its less than 3% of the annual budget. We give more money away than that in foreign aid to other countries every year under Obama.
Obama took the debt from 9 trillion to 19 trillion. Double every president in history. He also built a barrier on the border. So now when Trump wants to do something the left is saying "its a waste of money" and "walls dont work". Even though Obama built a fence and spent a ton of money and even gave a ton of money away.
While I can't argue with the numbers, and I agree with your observation that Obama has screwed us on the national debt (not to include Obama care), but I just don't see what a 30 foot wall will do to stop illegal immigration or drug traffickers. Can't you picture some sombrero wearing Mexican entrepreneur selling 31 foot ladders? I sure can.
Walls can be breached. Most illegal immigrants and drugs come here via border crossings anyway.
If you want to stop illegal immigration, go for the manufacturers and construction contractors who employ them. These are the ones who are not only taking advantage of poor immigrants who are looking for a better life, but are also driving down the price of such services to the point where legitimate contractors are leaving the business because they can't make a profit without breaking the law.
Make hiring illegals a felony and a lot of things will get better.
And for those of you who read this and think I'm being racist or nationalist or whatever, I'll tell you now that I work for Mexicans who are great employers who are very good to me and came to this country *****LEGALLY!!!***
Its a step in the right direction. Border patrol agents sayy over 95% of the ppl they catch come through the side of the border with no barrier. Illegal immigration is already way down under Trump and a border wall is just another obstacle for them to get through. People talk about tunnels but those are expensive to build. Cartels arent going to sacrifice a tunnel by allowing illegal immigrants to use them to get into the country. Those are probably on the cali border mostly but they also use drug mules to make runs where there is no border. Why would they use tunnels where the border is open?
I agree with you though about making it a serious offense to hire an illegal tho.
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I think it’s funny how the MAGA crowd argues the left can’t argue without expressing emotions when trump’s campaign was ran on fear. Take the political issue of this stupid fucking wall they keep vouching for, despite the fact that there’s been bipartisan legislation for more thousands of miles of fencing on the border during the Bush and Obama administrations. Many illegal immigrants come by plane and overstay their visas and a wall doesn’t stop that. Not to mention that there is a complex system of underground tunnels and drug cartels have a myriad of ways to smuggle drugs over a wall. But no, let’s waste billions on a wall that would face legal opposition from property owners that live on that as well as face environmental challenges. No, that’s not our argument at all, we just don’t want to build a wall because “it’s racist” yup, no other logical reason.
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"Of this stupid fucking wall" way to be emotional and prove my point for me. You did make some good points though ill give you that, but its not wasting money like they'll have you believe. Its less than 3% of the annual budget. We give more money away than that in foreign aid to other countries every year under Obama.
Obama took the debt from 9 trillion to 19 trillion. Double every president in history. He also built a barrier on the border. So now when Trump wants to do something the left is saying "its a waste of money" and "walls dont work". Even though Obama built a fence and spent a ton of money and even gave a ton of money away.
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While I can't argue with the numbers, and I agree with your observation that Obama has screwed us on the national debt (not to include Obama care), but I just don't see what a 30 foot wall will do to stop illegal immigration or drug traffickers. Can't you picture some sombrero wearing Mexican entrepreneur selling 31 foot ladders? I sure can.
Walls can be breached. Most illegal immigrants and drugs come here via border crossings anyway.
If you want to stop illegal immigration, go for the manufacturers and construction contractors who employ them. These are the ones who are not only taking advantage of poor immigrants who are looking for a better life, but are also driving down the price of such services to the point where legitimate contractors are leaving the business because they can't make a profit without breaking the law.
Make hiring illegals a felony and a lot of things will get better.
And for those of you who read this and think I'm being racist or nationalist or whatever, I'll tell you now that I work for Mexicans who are great employers who are very good to me and came to this country *****LEGALLY!!!***
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Its a step in the right direction. Border patrol agents sayy over 95% of the ppl they catch come through the side of the border with no barrier. Illegal immigration is already way down under Trump and a border wall is just another obstacle for them to get through. People talk about tunnels but those are expensive to build. Cartels arent going to sacrifice a tunnel by allowing illegal immigrants to use them to get into the country. Those are probably on the cali border mostly but they also use drug mules to make runs where there is no border. Why would they use tunnels where the border is open?
I agree with you though about making it a serious offense to hire an illegal tho.