Gun ban, yes or no?

Why are people in the US afraid to follow example of other first world countries on gun control and health care? Statistics have shown that other countries different approaches have significantly reduced death by sickness and by guns/shootings...
so why aren’t we taking and L for the sake of saving our people?

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  • It will never happen, the gun debate is nothing more than political grandstanding.
    Like Hateful says, why does some medicine in the USA cost ppl $400 or $500 for one dose, yet the exact same medication costs $.03 per dose in Cuba.
    Someone is pulling a lot of puppet strings, that’s why.

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  • Hateful1

    Have you talked to a Canadian about their health system? The best health care in the world is in Cuba. Are you saying we should live like them? With hundreds fleeing Cuba every year?
    And how much freedom are you willing to sacrifice to be "safe". In China you have to register with the government to buy a pocket knife. I'm sorry but living in a country with the largest standing military and not having a gun doesn't make me feel safe. I want one just in case some crazy orange man who thinks his daughter is hot and wants a military parade because he is jealous of North Korea wants to establish martial law. Or a more realistic scenario a bear walks out of the woods and starts to kill someone I love. Or some tweaked out meth head breaks in to my house in the middle of the night.

    I don't care what makes you feel safe. I want to be safe. I want the right to protect myself with the best tool possible. And that tool is a gun.

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    • TerriAngel

      A gun.
      I agree.
      That's a right.
      I support it.
      But, you don't need an assault rifle.
      What night time bandit takes one more step looking at a 12 gauge single shot pointed their way?

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    • Thats fine, but how do we restrict access to those unfit to carry without infringing upon the rights of those who are fit to carry?

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      • Hateful1

        We have enough laws in place now. Enforce the ones we have. Start treating the mentally ill instead of hiding it.

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        • TerriAngel

          Who's paying for treatment?

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          • lonewolf1253

            The mother fucking Democrats!

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          • Hateful1

            Everyone who actually pays for their own bills. Also I didn't mention payments?

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        • And how do we get people to magically start doing their job (properly)?

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          • Hateful1

            How about getting the politicians to stop trying to put their name on a bill so they can make a mark on history, and make them do their jobs. Approve responsible budgets on time. Stop them from one working one month a year and getting a full years pay and benefits. Spend the money you save on more police and better training in non-violent resolution. Punish departments that feel the need to spend their surplus budget on military tanks. That's just a start.

            How can you help. Don't just listen to what your told. Read, research, check your sources. And when your done with the research actually get involved. Write your Congressman and Senators, and more importantly your local politicians.

            No, Fox news is not a reliable source. In fact most news stations aren't reliable. They all want you to stay tuned so they will find the best dirt to show you. "These kids saw their class mates gunned down and here's footage of them crying. Stay tuned and we will show the blurred images of the dead bodies."

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            • 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 I always ask young people what we as a nation can do to prevent more of these bad things from happening and most of the time I get the responce,” why does it matter what I do, I can’t change it by myself, so why should I try/care” as they slowly become the bystander who watches the world burn. If more peope called in to their local congressman, people might do their job and things might get done.

              I’ve stopped watching the news altogether... I follow stations on social media so I do know when things happen but after that I do the research to get a more factual information and less opinionated drama.

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            • TerriAngel

              Well said.

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    • McBean

      Gun problems are basically because Americans are so bad at marksmanship. In Canada you get ONE hunting rifle, bolt action, 5 shot magazine. If you miss, tough shit. The Polar Bear eats you. Guess what? Canadians always hit their target on the first shot.

      Kim Jon Un wouldn't last very long on our continent north of the border.

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      • Hateful1

        Canada is on north america by the way.

        Not all in the US are bad shots just the majority. Some of the best snipers and sharpshooters are from the US. The problem is most people never get to even touch a gun until they have to use one to defend themselves. Most only know what they see on TV. Every time I see someone holding a gun sideways I want to scream.

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        • lonewolf1253

          Nonsense. Millions of expert shots in the U.S. Far more than in Canada. You've been watching too much television. Only ghetto rats hold a gun sideways.

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          • Hateful1

            I agree. But their are a lot more people in the US than there is in Canada. I don't really watch TV. I have actually seen a guy hold a gun sideways, against multiple suggestions against it, and he ended up burning his arm.

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            • lonewolf1253

              That's pretty much what I meant. Way more people and a much larger military. I'm sure most Canadians are great shots. And like you said, out of necessity. No room for error when your survival's at stake. So going by ratio and not sheer numbers, your probably correct now that I think about it.

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        • McBean

          Btw, Canadian snipers have made 3 of the top 4 shots in history. http://www.wideopenspaces.com/7-longest-sniper-shots-time-pics/

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          • Hateful1

            Canadians hold #2 and #3 longest confirmed kills. On your list they held #3 and #4. Sorry I don't count unknown soldiers. Also on your list the US holds two. One was the all time best sniper for 35 years, Gunnery Sergeant Carlos Hathcock. AKA White Feather. 93 confirmed kills, one at 2,286 m (2,500 yd). The UK holds the record for the longest kill by Craig Harrison at 2,475 m (2,707 yd).

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            • McBean

              Whatever. I'm with you - holding a firearm sideways is an insult to the second amendment.

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            • lonewolf1253

              I always admired Simo Hayha, the Finnish sniper who killed 505 Russians, "Probably more" in less than 100 days during the winter war of 1939-40. And this in subzero temperatures at a time when there was about 7 hours of daylight. And he only used iron sights so the glare of the snow off the scope would not give away his position. The Russians put a big price on his head but never got him, although he did get his jaw about shot off. Look him up if you haven't heard of him. The "White Death". The Finns are some tough customers. They're the only country that the Russians could not vanquish after WW2. Only 3 million people at the time but the mighty red army gave up trying. They would die to the last man, woman and child before they would give up to communism.

              https://youtu.be/uU_e7jO3ndk

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    • factcheck

      ...why would you have to copy the entire Cuban government to learn from their health care system? Aside from the fact that that logic makes no sense, you can learn from certain aspects of a government without making a carbon copy of the entire thing, there are dozens of other countries that have significantly better health care systems than the US, and they're also better than the US in every other way, to copy.

      If the US government decides to establish martial law, a gun's not going to jack squat for you. Have you seen what the police are capable of when black people peacefully protest unlawful shootings of unarmed black people? Imagine what they'd do to people with guns. And you're much more likely to accidentally shoot someone you love, or get shot by someone you love, than stop a bear from attacking them. Fun fact: people with guns are more likely to die during a home invasion than people who don't have guns.

      I don't care if you want to feel safe. I want to actually be safe. And guns make everybody less safe.

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    • Checkmate_King

      Eloquent and truthful brother thumbs up

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  • nikkiclaire

    What country affords the most opportunity, is the world's leading superpower and is the desired destination for the most immigrants worldwide?

    Yeah let's start changing things...

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    • TheGypsyTaylor

      Opportunity is hard to measure but in terms of job, economic, or entrepreneurial opportunity, I am hard pressed to find a source that ranks the US at the top. The US has more total immigrants than any other country. However those numbers count people from US territories like Puerto Rico who are US citizens at birth, and when you look at a per capita of immigrants the US isn't even near the top 10.

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      • nikkiclaire

        I stated "desired destination".

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        • TheGypsyTaylor

          Oh sorry, I didn't realize you weren't going by data and had personally polled them all to know what they truly desired. My bad.

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  • Kinkeeguy

    Using the 2nd amendment (which was created 200+ years ago)as a crutch to support the almost unchecked sale of automatic weapons is not smart. There did not exist these kind of personal weaponry at the time. I am not sure if common people were authorized to own cannons in the 1800s...

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  • Holzman_67

    they should just allow people who wish to protect themselves the right to buy stun guns. all other guns should be banned but it will never happen cos of the NRA

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  • lonewolf1253

    To quote the late Charleston Heston, "You can pry my guns from my cold, dead hands".

    Even if they did pass legislation banning guns, which is not possible, do you think everyone would willingly give them up? The death toll would be in the hundreds of thousands, If not millions. Civil war. And the gun owners would win. That's the reality of it. Stick to reality because it's all that matters.

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    • TerriAngel

      Seriously.
      They'd lose.
      1 mini gun.
      2,ooo rpm on a slow day.
      The military if called to do so.
      Would wipe you right off the map.
      Why push the issue?
      Enjoy our freedom.
      Just stop giving assault weapons to crackheads.
      Since we're not sure who might be one, just stop selling assault weapon's.

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      • lonewolf1253

        The military would not kill their own family's ya dumb bitch. I'm going to sell an AR-15 to anyone who has the cash. Sorry, but I'm not required to do drug screens. And I don't give anything away, except perhaps a load of semen. Must be 18 in my state to purchase. But anyone over 12 can fire one with adult supervision. Perhaps I'll open a training school for kids. I'm sure I'd have lots of customers. I regularly train with the Michigan militia. Lots of pretty girls and kids too. You'd be surprised. Some of the women and kids are expert sharpshooters.

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      • I’m pretty sure an ar-15 rifle is not an assault weapon, it only shoots as fast as your finger pulls the trigger. That being said, I still don’t think we should be selling weapons to the masses that look, feel, and almost repicate that of a military grade weapon.

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        • CozmoWank

          Why not?
          You want to ban a rifle because of the way it looks and feels?

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          • I personally dont like the idea of being able to kill a person with rapid triggered bullet action. I think knives would do.

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            • CozmoWank

              What's a "rapid triggered bullet action"?
              But you're okay with killing people?

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      • nikkiclaire

        Since we aren't sure who is drunk or high we should all stop driving too.

        We also aren't sure who the pedos are so no parks, rec centers or schools. Some teachers molest students ya know.

        Some people have a proclivity to stab others so knives, ban em.

        How about all those who feel unsafe get a kevlar bubble to live in, and let the rest of us live in the dangerous free world.

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        • I dont feel the need to protect myself with guns...

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  • McBean

    Gun problems are basically because Americans are so bad at marksmanship. In Canada you get ONE hunting rifle, bolt action, 5 shot magazine. If you miss, tough shit. The Polar Bear eats you. Guess what? Canadians always hit their target on the first shot.

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    • pendletonGibbs

      I agree. That dude in Vegas shot thousands of rounds yet only managed to kill 58 people. I guess a Canadian would have wiped out the entire audience.

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      • McBean

        Yep.

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  • dilater

    gun ban no asault rifles should be banned there not for sport they have one use killing people

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    • Im not in favor of having guns on the street by the average civilian but what about Biathlon?
      Like prohibition, taking away guns would only increase the ammount of illegal and dangerous usage... we need to better control what we have and how we use it.

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  • Dan13309

    it's not the guns fault it's the person useing it. setting a gun on a table for a million years and it will never kill anyone, it's from the wrong minded person picking it up that's where the trouble comes in. in the right hands a sword to be just as deadly as a gun, it's not the weapon it's the use.

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  • geek_god_101

    This is an example of media propaganda. It's amusing that shootings are advertised more than when guns are used in self defense or hunting as intended to.
    Have people noticed that rural areas don't get as much gun violence as urban areas do? Part of the reason is because people in rural areas learn how to operate guns appropriately as intended to. Ever wonder why they defend the Constitutional right to bear arms?

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  • jaystrong

    When you take away the gun violence in places where it's gun free cities - Detroit, Baltimore and states like Chicago, Washington DC there's many of the numbers we see that makes the USA a gun problem country. Take those places away (actually the gun free zone violence) and the USA would then be next to the lowest on the list per population.
    Statistically FACT.

    I have no problem with background checks or making them stiffer, but the criminal, the would be killer/criminal can and will always get access at some point to them.

    In MANY cases with these mass shootings you'll find the shooter broke the laws by the weapons they used, they stole them and took into gun free zones.
    It's the parent who person(s) who they live with that are responsible for them. If their child or someone that lives in their home has a mental disorder, there should be red flags for them to be allowed to have guns in the home.

    Here's the problem:
    Not everyone is diagnosed with their mental disorder and not everyone who has issues show them.
    Not only this, but as in the case with a serial killer, those who kill "usually" seem like a normal person, the kid next door prior to the shooting.

    In the cases where their neighbors, a family member or their classmates or co-workers contact authorities about them, it's up to law enforcement to monitor them. In the case of this latest Florida shooting the FBI and local law enforcement totally dropped the ball.

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  • Aethylfritha

    Affordable fair health care, yes!
    Gun ban, no while i do not much like guns i feel they are a necessary evil. However i agree with limiting seminautomatic...bazookas...etc. Jk i know bazookas are illegal.
    But if only the law abiding citizens follow the rules, what happens? That island in Norway thats what.
    I think the best way to keep schools safe is one way locking from the inside doors, and two security guards at all times, for a start.

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  • Nickvey

    three to seventeen is the score no gun ban wins

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  • mr.artiste

    guns don't kill people. people kill people. If we're talking mass homicide, the guns used in those can be detected. bottomline, its the negligence and motive of people that kills people. not the guns.

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  • oaeria

    If you need a gun for protection, I think that's okay; but I think there should be a detailed background check of the person who wants to buy it to check whether if they are mentally stable, have no criminal record and haven't had any problems in their past which can affect their use of the gun.
    There are even other ways to control the use and safety of having guns without banning it.

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    • nikkiclaire

      Define mentally stable?

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  • rayb12

    USA is a young country and needs to know that. People assume they are correct but don't even take the time to get close with those who don't agree. Sometimes they even agree and don't know because they don't become friends.

    If you are pro gun control go live in Missouri a while and then you won't be so confused why there are people who don't want gun control.

    But I also understand it is for all intents and purposes a rhetorical question

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  • redrainbow22

    Guns are the only thing keeping us safe from a tyrannical government.

    Our founding fathers knew this best.

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    • factcheck

      Believe me, your tyrannical government isn't afraid of your guns.

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      • redrainbow22

        Yes they are.

        Thats why they're constantly trying to ban them lol

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    • Bazinga

      Actually, it's a little bit more complicated than that. Read the Second Amendment in detail. Civilian militias were intended to safeguard against Federal tyranny. Switzerland is a country that actually has a civilian militia. The U.S. does not. This issue is a good example of how interpretation of law changes over centuries. As a junior high school kid, you could trace developments in history to the present zeitgeist and legal interpretation.

      It's time for you to start appreciating the complexities of argumentation, and spectrum of political thought. I think you're smart enough to do this. Otherwise, I'd just tell you to shut up.

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      • redrainbow22

        Thats exactly what I said

        Tyrannical government

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        • Bazinga

          I am frustrated with your simple mindedness. The issue is more than tyranny. Read the second amendment. Do you see militia? Do you see defense? Could this mean different things to different people? Jesus fuck.

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          • redrainbow22

            My point was simple, and had nothing to do with militia.

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