I agree with your position on gay marriage. As you said: "Its one man one woman and thats the ideal pairing for raising a family."
I don't have a problem, with gay marriage, because life partners, significant others, etc., were historically cheated out of property, life insurance, etc, when their "mate" passed away.
It's also necessary, for medical life & death decision making.
The problem I DO HAVE, is when gay / lesbian couples ADOPT children.
I'm modern enough, to approve/accept homosexuals, but old-fashioned enough, to believe that children should be raised by a MOTHER and FATHER.
Why should ANY child have to explain why they have 2 moms, or 2 dads, to their schoolmates? It's just shoving homosexuality, down our throats, and our kids throats, as being "NORMAL" ....
Kinda like gay parades. We don't have heterosexual parades, and advertise our NON-gayness.
Wanna be gay? Be gay, but remember you are the minority. Have respect for the majority of us. Your sexual preference, is YOUR business.... don't make it OUR'S !!
Just my opinion, so if you don't agree, that's your right. Just don't criticize me, for MY beliefs....(please).
Homosexuality is normal, insofar that it's now accepted by society, and the only possible definition of "normal" is what is accepted. No child will "have" to explain it to their classmates because their classmates don't care - as long as their parents haven't told them homophobic crap already. (Also, how often does this even come up on your average child's conversation?) It's not like kids inherently think being gay is weird. Pretty much every belief we hold has been taught to us.
And if you think children should be raised by a mother and a father, do you have a problem with single parents too? If someone is raised primarily by their mother and grandmother, is that wrong? What about a kid raised by a group of monks? In some areas, like contemporary Hong Kong, many kids spend much of their time being cared for by a maid and treat them as a third parent. Is that bad? Not to mention polyamorous families. And there are plenty of families where a friend or relative plays a larger role in the kids' lives than the parents. "Children not being raised by a mother and a father, or solely by a mother and a father" is certainly not confined to gay couples. Are these things all inherently inferior to a traditional nuclear family? Why?
Also, some gay couples do adopt masculine / feminine roles. Plenty of traditional families have complications - like I mentioned above. Gender is complex, gender *roles* are complex, families are complex, and things just aren't as black and white as we like to pretend they are.
Pride parades are thing because LGBT+ people were historically oppressed - it's like Black History Month, if the analogy helps.
If you say two dudes can do as good as a woman and a man, doesn't that kinda take away womens unique value? Its my opinion that both women and men have UNIQUE roles in raising a child optimally. A single parent is not as good either.
We homosexuals are not systemically oppressed in my opinion. Some people are and always will be homaphobic. It would be great if everyone just started thinking homosexuality is normal, buts its just not common enough. Still less than 5 percent(somewhere around there) of people are strictly gay.
I think there was a term for this. Internalized homophobia. Its when a gay person hates gays or themselves for being gays amd are against homosexual rights.
"If you say two dudes can do as good as a woman and a man, doesn't that kinda take away womens unique value?"
No, not really. Two tall people, two cat people, and two Mac users can raise kids fine and I doubt anyone would disagree. But that doesn't mean short people, dog-lovers, or Windows users aren't "uniquely valuable," whatever that means.
"Its my opinion that both women and men have UNIQUE roles in raising a child optimally."
Now that's just sexist. Not everyone follows traditional gender roles.
Listen dude, I'm no expert on this. If you wanna debate me, watch some Jordan Peterson or Ben Shapiro videos about gender roles on you tube or something.
And also its not sexist unless I imply inequality, whitch I did not. Men and women are equal but different.
If you can't defend your opinion, maybe it's time to reevaluate it. It's not my responsibility to try and figure out what *your* justifications are.
Also, "equal but different" can definitely be sexist.
And finally, even *if* gay couples are not, on average, as good as parenting as straight couples are (which, by the way, you've provided no evidence or compelling reasoning for beyond "men and women have unique roles" - whatever that means), doesn't mean it should be illegal for them to get married or raise kids - not unless all gay couples are just so catastrophically bad at raising children that it counts as abuse/neglect, which is evidently false. After all, single parents may, on average, be less good at raising children than two parents. But single parents aren't and shouldn't be illegal, either.
Very well said! I found someone who agrees with me! I agree with every iota of your comment. And I am advocating for kinky rights as well. We need those just like gay rights right? BDSM pride month!
No child is born a bigot. It’s just as easy to explain that some children have two dads or two moms as it is to explain that some children have a dad and a mom or only one or the other. The only way they’re going to end up wrongly thinking that it’s not normal is if their parents tell them that. And last I checked, being in the minority doesn’t mean you have fewer rights. Your views on gay couples adopting children are the minority but you still feel you have the right to force them down our throats. Just remember that other people have the same rights you do, and that includes the right to criticize you. I chose not to, but anybody else who does will be more than justified.
"The only way they’re going to end up wrongly thinking that it’s not normal is if their parents tell them that."
They will eventually wonder why 99 percent of their friends and classmates have a mom and dad and not two of the same. Homosexuality is not normal by any stretch and it never will be. I think its better, but its not normal and thats just statistics.
That’s highly unlikely considering only 69% of children live with their mom and dad. Nearly 1 out of 3 children - and this number rises every year - doesn’t.
Even if it is 99% of their friends, even if it’s 100% of their friends, they’re only going to wrongly believe that it’s abnormal if they’re taught to falsely believe that people who look or sound different are abnormal. Which, of course, they are not.
I said HAVE a mom and dad, not LIVE WITH a mom and dad. Those aren't quite the same thing.
If you don't think being gay is abnormal, than where we really disagree on is what normal means. To me, a state of being that characterises less than 5 percent of the population, cannot be consider normal. What does normal mean to you?
Well some kids have a dead parent or parents, some kids have a step dad or a step mom or both, some kids have a foster mom and/or dad...and some kids have adoptive parents and birth parents. Children being raised by a gay couple are still going to have a birth mom and a birth dad just like everybody else, they’re just also going to have two adoptive parents that are the same gender. Again, that’s only weird if parents wrongly teach their children to falsely believe that it’s weird or not normal. If parents do what they’re supposed to do and teach children to be kind and respectful and accepting of those who are different, instead of teaching them to fear those people, then they’re not going to bat an eye at it.
We may well have very different definitions of normal. I think you’re describing the words common and uncommon, not normal and abnormal. To me, something has to be bad or wrong in some way for it to be abnormal. Obviously there’s nothing bad or wrong about being gay whatsoever, so I don’t see how it can be considered abnormal.
Gay but against gay marriage? Iin?
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I agree with your position on gay marriage. As you said: "Its one man one woman and thats the ideal pairing for raising a family."
I don't have a problem, with gay marriage, because life partners, significant others, etc., were historically cheated out of property, life insurance, etc, when their "mate" passed away.
It's also necessary, for medical life & death decision making.
The problem I DO HAVE, is when gay / lesbian couples ADOPT children.
I'm modern enough, to approve/accept homosexuals, but old-fashioned enough, to believe that children should be raised by a MOTHER and FATHER.
Why should ANY child have to explain why they have 2 moms, or 2 dads, to their schoolmates? It's just shoving homosexuality, down our throats, and our kids throats, as being "NORMAL" ....
Kinda like gay parades. We don't have heterosexual parades, and advertise our NON-gayness.
Wanna be gay? Be gay, but remember you are the minority. Have respect for the majority of us. Your sexual preference, is YOUR business.... don't make it OUR'S !!
Just my opinion, so if you don't agree, that's your right. Just don't criticize me, for MY beliefs....(please).
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Homosexuality is normal, insofar that it's now accepted by society, and the only possible definition of "normal" is what is accepted. No child will "have" to explain it to their classmates because their classmates don't care - as long as their parents haven't told them homophobic crap already. (Also, how often does this even come up on your average child's conversation?) It's not like kids inherently think being gay is weird. Pretty much every belief we hold has been taught to us.
And if you think children should be raised by a mother and a father, do you have a problem with single parents too? If someone is raised primarily by their mother and grandmother, is that wrong? What about a kid raised by a group of monks? In some areas, like contemporary Hong Kong, many kids spend much of their time being cared for by a maid and treat them as a third parent. Is that bad? Not to mention polyamorous families. And there are plenty of families where a friend or relative plays a larger role in the kids' lives than the parents. "Children not being raised by a mother and a father, or solely by a mother and a father" is certainly not confined to gay couples. Are these things all inherently inferior to a traditional nuclear family? Why?
Also, some gay couples do adopt masculine / feminine roles. Plenty of traditional families have complications - like I mentioned above. Gender is complex, gender *roles* are complex, families are complex, and things just aren't as black and white as we like to pretend they are.
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If you say two dudes can do as good as a woman and a man, doesn't that kinda take away womens unique value? Its my opinion that both women and men have UNIQUE roles in raising a child optimally. A single parent is not as good either.
We homosexuals are not systemically oppressed in my opinion. Some people are and always will be homaphobic. It would be great if everyone just started thinking homosexuality is normal, buts its just not common enough. Still less than 5 percent(somewhere around there) of people are strictly gay.
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I think there was a term for this. Internalized homophobia. Its when a gay person hates gays or themselves for being gays amd are against homosexual rights.
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I'm for homosexaul rights tho! Every single one except marriage!
"If you say two dudes can do as good as a woman and a man, doesn't that kinda take away womens unique value?"
No, not really. Two tall people, two cat people, and two Mac users can raise kids fine and I doubt anyone would disagree. But that doesn't mean short people, dog-lovers, or Windows users aren't "uniquely valuable," whatever that means.
"Its my opinion that both women and men have UNIQUE roles in raising a child optimally."
Now that's just sexist. Not everyone follows traditional gender roles.
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Listen dude, I'm no expert on this. If you wanna debate me, watch some Jordan Peterson or Ben Shapiro videos about gender roles on you tube or something.
And also its not sexist unless I imply inequality, whitch I did not. Men and women are equal but different.
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If you can't defend your opinion, maybe it's time to reevaluate it. It's not my responsibility to try and figure out what *your* justifications are.
Also, "equal but different" can definitely be sexist.
And finally, even *if* gay couples are not, on average, as good as parenting as straight couples are (which, by the way, you've provided no evidence or compelling reasoning for beyond "men and women have unique roles" - whatever that means), doesn't mean it should be illegal for them to get married or raise kids - not unless all gay couples are just so catastrophically bad at raising children that it counts as abuse/neglect, which is evidently false. After all, single parents may, on average, be less good at raising children than two parents. But single parents aren't and shouldn't be illegal, either.
Very well said! I found someone who agrees with me! I agree with every iota of your comment. And I am advocating for kinky rights as well. We need those just like gay rights right? BDSM pride month!
No child is born a bigot. It’s just as easy to explain that some children have two dads or two moms as it is to explain that some children have a dad and a mom or only one or the other. The only way they’re going to end up wrongly thinking that it’s not normal is if their parents tell them that. And last I checked, being in the minority doesn’t mean you have fewer rights. Your views on gay couples adopting children are the minority but you still feel you have the right to force them down our throats. Just remember that other people have the same rights you do, and that includes the right to criticize you. I chose not to, but anybody else who does will be more than justified.
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I agree with everything, except this:
"The only way they’re going to end up wrongly thinking that it’s not normal is if their parents tell them that."
They will eventually wonder why 99 percent of their friends and classmates have a mom and dad and not two of the same. Homosexuality is not normal by any stretch and it never will be. I think its better, but its not normal and thats just statistics.
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That’s highly unlikely considering only 69% of children live with their mom and dad. Nearly 1 out of 3 children - and this number rises every year - doesn’t.
Even if it is 99% of their friends, even if it’s 100% of their friends, they’re only going to wrongly believe that it’s abnormal if they’re taught to falsely believe that people who look or sound different are abnormal. Which, of course, they are not.
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I said HAVE a mom and dad, not LIVE WITH a mom and dad. Those aren't quite the same thing.
If you don't think being gay is abnormal, than where we really disagree on is what normal means. To me, a state of being that characterises less than 5 percent of the population, cannot be consider normal. What does normal mean to you?
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Well some kids have a dead parent or parents, some kids have a step dad or a step mom or both, some kids have a foster mom and/or dad...and some kids have adoptive parents and birth parents. Children being raised by a gay couple are still going to have a birth mom and a birth dad just like everybody else, they’re just also going to have two adoptive parents that are the same gender. Again, that’s only weird if parents wrongly teach their children to falsely believe that it’s weird or not normal. If parents do what they’re supposed to do and teach children to be kind and respectful and accepting of those who are different, instead of teaching them to fear those people, then they’re not going to bat an eye at it.
We may well have very different definitions of normal. I think you’re describing the words common and uncommon, not normal and abnormal. To me, something has to be bad or wrong in some way for it to be abnormal. Obviously there’s nothing bad or wrong about being gay whatsoever, so I don’t see how it can be considered abnormal.