I am aware that there are individuals with the ability to control their use of drugs or alcohol. There are also those who can't. Whether they are a casual user or abuser is not my point - and I did mention that this has no bearing on those with medical problems.
I don't condone using, or condemn using. Drunk frat boy, pot smoking hippie, bath salt zombie - the only thing that would upset me is any damage caused to other people by the drug user.
I was more so responding to the negative attitude you seem to have towards all users.
"But even though I don't care what you do, I still think you're an idiot."
You would have to think a lot of highly intelligent people are idiots to honestly believe that. I just know good, factual information on a lot of these things is still hard to find among all the strong opinions people have on these topics, I like to spread knowledge when I can. :)
I do agree with you for the most part, I'm one of few people I know who refuses to drink and drive. Even if I'm under the legal limit I still don't like to, and it worries me to think about what could happen. :/ People seem to have some invincibility complex that I just don't understand.
Ahh well that's more of a "don't come crying to me when shit happens" attitude I guess. Plus I still think its a waste of money. Even intelligent individuals I've met in college, incredibly talented, they'll get distracted by whatever their choice is (usually alcohol) and end up flunking out. Or the choice to use an illegal drug, then ending up at court over it. Not arguing about legalizing drugs or banning alcohol or anything, but to me the risks - jail time, injury fron misuse, loss of opportunities - just aren't worth it
Still, lots of intelligent individuals have gone on to do great things. Steve Jobs, Carl Sagan, hell even Cheech and Chong do pretty well for themselves. XD I know there are more, I've seen some things highlighting famous people who did drugs and were successful... mostly people who smoked weed or experimented with psychedellics in moderation.
Not to mention most of the musicians you probably listen to. ;P
Getting in too deep with the alcohol is one of the quickest ways to fuck yourself over in my opinion. Technically it's a hard drug and should be classed up there with Cocaine and Heroine and things like that in terms of harm and addictive potential, but it's dressed up by society to seem like a harmless behavior. Think people would start riding the H train if it came in little glasses with umbrellas and fruit? XD
Just because someone is a star does not mean they are brilliant or respectable people. They are talented of course. It does not mean they are very worthy of being admired. Many of these famous people are a train wreck. None of us should inspire to be like. Using all your cash to drink and smoke till you puke each night while neglecting to take care of your kids. Even though you make more in a day than most do in a year is not something to be admired. While in the day are singing about "fuck me hard" and have sextapes of 4 men jamming dicks in you.
Did you not look at my examples? I don't think Steve Jobs ever train wrecked or puked up every night, and just because that seems to be the trend of today's pop stars doesn't mean that there aren't many successful and intelligent people who *don't* take things too far.
THis isn't as black and white as you make it out to be, there's a difference between responsible and intelligent experimentation and addiciction and destructive lifestyles.
The issue is this does harm others if you think it does or not. If someone gets drunk or high and lets say kills someone they might not have realized what they are doing. If someone drinks and drives and crash they injured or possibly killed some people. This indirectly will create suffering for their family as well with medical bills or grief over family death. Second hand smoke creates health issues for those around you. If you get drunk or high and have sex and get pregnant depending you might not want to be stuck with the kid. If you do not have the means others are forced to take care of this problem. If it be tax payers or the family of them. So believe it or not it affects all of us. Not just some. My parents went to a concert and was attacked by a guy high on pcp. They had a man who ate a homeless guy because he was on bath salt. So it does create damage to others. Desperate druggies will also kill and steal to feed an addiction in many cases. So does that really make the none users safe?
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I am aware that there are individuals with the ability to control their use of drugs or alcohol. There are also those who can't. Whether they are a casual user or abuser is not my point - and I did mention that this has no bearing on those with medical problems.
I don't condone using, or condemn using. Drunk frat boy, pot smoking hippie, bath salt zombie - the only thing that would upset me is any damage caused to other people by the drug user.
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I was more so responding to the negative attitude you seem to have towards all users.
"But even though I don't care what you do, I still think you're an idiot."
You would have to think a lot of highly intelligent people are idiots to honestly believe that. I just know good, factual information on a lot of these things is still hard to find among all the strong opinions people have on these topics, I like to spread knowledge when I can. :)
I do agree with you for the most part, I'm one of few people I know who refuses to drink and drive. Even if I'm under the legal limit I still don't like to, and it worries me to think about what could happen. :/ People seem to have some invincibility complex that I just don't understand.
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Ahh well that's more of a "don't come crying to me when shit happens" attitude I guess. Plus I still think its a waste of money. Even intelligent individuals I've met in college, incredibly talented, they'll get distracted by whatever their choice is (usually alcohol) and end up flunking out. Or the choice to use an illegal drug, then ending up at court over it. Not arguing about legalizing drugs or banning alcohol or anything, but to me the risks - jail time, injury fron misuse, loss of opportunities - just aren't worth it
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Still, lots of intelligent individuals have gone on to do great things. Steve Jobs, Carl Sagan, hell even Cheech and Chong do pretty well for themselves. XD I know there are more, I've seen some things highlighting famous people who did drugs and were successful... mostly people who smoked weed or experimented with psychedellics in moderation.
Not to mention most of the musicians you probably listen to. ;P
Getting in too deep with the alcohol is one of the quickest ways to fuck yourself over in my opinion. Technically it's a hard drug and should be classed up there with Cocaine and Heroine and things like that in terms of harm and addictive potential, but it's dressed up by society to seem like a harmless behavior. Think people would start riding the H train if it came in little glasses with umbrellas and fruit? XD
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Just because someone is a star does not mean they are brilliant or respectable people. They are talented of course. It does not mean they are very worthy of being admired. Many of these famous people are a train wreck. None of us should inspire to be like. Using all your cash to drink and smoke till you puke each night while neglecting to take care of your kids. Even though you make more in a day than most do in a year is not something to be admired. While in the day are singing about "fuck me hard" and have sextapes of 4 men jamming dicks in you.
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Did you not look at my examples? I don't think Steve Jobs ever train wrecked or puked up every night, and just because that seems to be the trend of today's pop stars doesn't mean that there aren't many successful and intelligent people who *don't* take things too far.
THis isn't as black and white as you make it out to be, there's a difference between responsible and intelligent experimentation and addiciction and destructive lifestyles.
The issue is this does harm others if you think it does or not. If someone gets drunk or high and lets say kills someone they might not have realized what they are doing. If someone drinks and drives and crash they injured or possibly killed some people. This indirectly will create suffering for their family as well with medical bills or grief over family death. Second hand smoke creates health issues for those around you. If you get drunk or high and have sex and get pregnant depending you might not want to be stuck with the kid. If you do not have the means others are forced to take care of this problem. If it be tax payers or the family of them. So believe it or not it affects all of us. Not just some. My parents went to a concert and was attacked by a guy high on pcp. They had a man who ate a homeless guy because he was on bath salt. So it does create damage to others. Desperate druggies will also kill and steal to feed an addiction in many cases. So does that really make the none users safe?