How is it a stereotype exactly? It’s a fact that black people were slaves in this country not white people. We had the Jim Crow laws. black people were attacked by the kkk not white people. these are facts and not the same as stereotypes.
I hate to tell you this, man but white people were, in fact, slaves in this country, to include my ggg grandmother. Irish "indentured servants" were a hot commodity in Virginia in the 18th to 19th centuries.
Yes indentured servitude was a thing but to act like it was the same thing that black slaves had to deal with is not only wrong but stupid. And after slaverly ended we had Jim Crow laws that were against blacks not whites. And after that we had and still have the drug war.
Not to long ago nixions top aid said that they knew they were lying but they wanted to control the black population and the hippies cause they didn’t support them that’s a fact. Look it up
American slavery and indentured servitude are factually different.
Foremost, indentured servants CHOSE to be indentured servants. They were poor European people who wanted to come to America but couldn't pay for it. In exchange for the freedom America offered, they would work for an agreed upon matter of years before being released as free people and receiving "freedom dues" which may include money, land, housing, and/or animals to begin a farm of their own. Of course this wasn't the only reason indentured servants chose (keyword of the day!) to accept that status. They might be faced with prison time and elect to do work as opposed to sentencing similar to modern-day correctional boot camps (https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/nij/197018.pdf). Do you think slaves had that option? They were owned until the day they died and never received compensation. Irish Indentured Servitude also didn't come with the systematic deep racism that African Slavery did. Once you were a free Irish man, you were free. If you were free and black? Good luck getting an education, property, or any form of job.
Of course, I don't think indentured servitude is okay. It's banned in most countries currently. There's just a difference between "I signed my rights away" and "I never had any rights from the beginning and never will"
Edit: I recommend you read a book called "Copper Sun" by Sharon Draper. It's historical fiction, but tells the story of an indentured servant (Polly) and an African Slave (Amari) who become friends at a plantation and agree to run away together to a then Spanish Colony in modern day Florida. Due to the fact that it hops between perspectives, you see the obvious transition between "Slave" and "Indentured Servant". It's a book I loved as a teenager, not sure it's still good though haha.
Do you honestly believe that indentured servants CHOSE to Gove away 25 of their precious years Being beaten, raped, and worked to death to get out of Europe? Come on.
Half of my family are descended from the Irish indentured. What actually happened is this: The English purged the prisons of Ireland by offering them new lives in America with promises of free housing and food for a time and freedom after their sentence time was over. The average sentence was 25 years, so every servant had to give that amount of time to the farmers they were sold to. They were unaware that they would have to stay so long. After their terms were over, most were either forced to stay as unpaid workers or decided to stay because they had children with the landowners and did not wish to leave their kids. Some were allowed to leave as they were too old to be profitable slaves. Not one record exists of a single Irish slave receiving any remuneration at all.
A few facts about slavery that most people don't know
The first KNOWN slave owner in America was indeed a black African immigrant who brought a slave back from Africa. He petitioned parliament for the right to keep his slave and was given the right.
Africans from the Barbary coast were constantly invading the western coastlines of Europe to feed a thriving white slave trade in northern africa. Some estimates put the number of these slaves at 2,5 million, but a more realistic 1.5 million is agreed upon by most historians. Yes, blacks have enslaved whites several times throughout history.
If you are black and from Louisiana, it is more likely that the owner of your most recently enslaved ancestor was a black or partially black owner.
Most societies in world history have enslaved someone, to include China, the middle east, every single country or society in Africa, and even Some of the native Americans.
Slavery is still alive and well in Africa
Human trafficking is alive and well in nearly every country in the world today.
You can research any of my points above and find them to be true if you wish to spend the time, but either way, I beg for your response on the following questions: With all of the atrocities of slavery in all the countries where it has existed throughout history, why is it that it is white americans, and ONLY white Americans that are told they must pay in some way for their sins? Why are the Africans who enslaved whites never demonized or told that they owe something to Europe for their sins? And if whites did repay the descendants of former slaves, would you not expect complete and utter negation? At what point will you stop hating whites for the same thing that blacks did to them?
Why do you feel the need to deflect and diminish what white Americans have done? Do you believe that it makes it ok for white Americans to own slaves if black people also owned slaves? Do you believe that it makes it ok for black people to be enslaved if the Irish were forced into indentured servitude?
If you started a post about the horrors of white Europeans being enslaved, I guarantee you that nobody would hijack the post by bringing up what white Americans did. If you started a post about the horrors inflicted on the Irish, I assure you that nobody would hijack the post by bringing up black slaves.
So, what compels you to disregard the struggles of other people? What makes you feel like you have to center this discussion on yourself?
No ones saying that white Americans should or have to pay for what white people did in the past. Some people do believe that and they are wrong. What I’ve been saying is we need to remember the past and what we have done.
Double standards and racism
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Wow, that makes a whole lot of sense.
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How is it a stereotype exactly? It’s a fact that black people were slaves in this country not white people. We had the Jim Crow laws. black people were attacked by the kkk not white people. these are facts and not the same as stereotypes.
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I hate to tell you this, man but white people were, in fact, slaves in this country, to include my ggg grandmother. Irish "indentured servants" were a hot commodity in Virginia in the 18th to 19th centuries.
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Yes indentured servitude was a thing but to act like it was the same thing that black slaves had to deal with is not only wrong but stupid. And after slaverly ended we had Jim Crow laws that were against blacks not whites. And after that we had and still have the drug war.
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Directed? Debatable. Disproportionally affected? Yes.
Not to long ago nixions top aid said that they knew they were lying but they wanted to control the black population and the hippies cause they didn’t support them that’s a fact. Look it up
American slavery and indentured servitude are factually different.
Foremost, indentured servants CHOSE to be indentured servants. They were poor European people who wanted to come to America but couldn't pay for it. In exchange for the freedom America offered, they would work for an agreed upon matter of years before being released as free people and receiving "freedom dues" which may include money, land, housing, and/or animals to begin a farm of their own. Of course this wasn't the only reason indentured servants chose (keyword of the day!) to accept that status. They might be faced with prison time and elect to do work as opposed to sentencing similar to modern-day correctional boot camps (https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/nij/197018.pdf). Do you think slaves had that option? They were owned until the day they died and never received compensation. Irish Indentured Servitude also didn't come with the systematic deep racism that African Slavery did. Once you were a free Irish man, you were free. If you were free and black? Good luck getting an education, property, or any form of job.
Of course, I don't think indentured servitude is okay. It's banned in most countries currently. There's just a difference between "I signed my rights away" and "I never had any rights from the beginning and never will"
Edit: I recommend you read a book called "Copper Sun" by Sharon Draper. It's historical fiction, but tells the story of an indentured servant (Polly) and an African Slave (Amari) who become friends at a plantation and agree to run away together to a then Spanish Colony in modern day Florida. Due to the fact that it hops between perspectives, you see the obvious transition between "Slave" and "Indentured Servant". It's a book I loved as a teenager, not sure it's still good though haha.
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Do you honestly believe that indentured servants CHOSE to Gove away 25 of their precious years Being beaten, raped, and worked to death to get out of Europe? Come on.
Half of my family are descended from the Irish indentured. What actually happened is this: The English purged the prisons of Ireland by offering them new lives in America with promises of free housing and food for a time and freedom after their sentence time was over. The average sentence was 25 years, so every servant had to give that amount of time to the farmers they were sold to. They were unaware that they would have to stay so long. After their terms were over, most were either forced to stay as unpaid workers or decided to stay because they had children with the landowners and did not wish to leave their kids. Some were allowed to leave as they were too old to be profitable slaves. Not one record exists of a single Irish slave receiving any remuneration at all.
A few facts about slavery that most people don't know
The first KNOWN slave owner in America was indeed a black African immigrant who brought a slave back from Africa. He petitioned parliament for the right to keep his slave and was given the right.
Africans from the Barbary coast were constantly invading the western coastlines of Europe to feed a thriving white slave trade in northern africa. Some estimates put the number of these slaves at 2,5 million, but a more realistic 1.5 million is agreed upon by most historians. Yes, blacks have enslaved whites several times throughout history.
If you are black and from Louisiana, it is more likely that the owner of your most recently enslaved ancestor was a black or partially black owner.
Most societies in world history have enslaved someone, to include China, the middle east, every single country or society in Africa, and even Some of the native Americans.
Slavery is still alive and well in Africa
Human trafficking is alive and well in nearly every country in the world today.
You can research any of my points above and find them to be true if you wish to spend the time, but either way, I beg for your response on the following questions: With all of the atrocities of slavery in all the countries where it has existed throughout history, why is it that it is white americans, and ONLY white Americans that are told they must pay in some way for their sins? Why are the Africans who enslaved whites never demonized or told that they owe something to Europe for their sins? And if whites did repay the descendants of former slaves, would you not expect complete and utter negation? At what point will you stop hating whites for the same thing that blacks did to them?
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I have a question for you.
Why do you feel the need to deflect and diminish what white Americans have done? Do you believe that it makes it ok for white Americans to own slaves if black people also owned slaves? Do you believe that it makes it ok for black people to be enslaved if the Irish were forced into indentured servitude?
If you started a post about the horrors of white Europeans being enslaved, I guarantee you that nobody would hijack the post by bringing up what white Americans did. If you started a post about the horrors inflicted on the Irish, I assure you that nobody would hijack the post by bringing up black slaves.
So, what compels you to disregard the struggles of other people? What makes you feel like you have to center this discussion on yourself?
No ones saying that white Americans should or have to pay for what white people did in the past. Some people do believe that and they are wrong. What I’ve been saying is we need to remember the past and what we have done.
Very well put.
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How am I racist for saying some of the things that did happen?
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You're not.
He's a racist idiot troll. There's no arguing with them. They just bullshit.
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Oh sorry my bad
I was bred to be extremely anti racist... but reality has made me reassess the truth.
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Not only are you practically a month late with this so called reply, but you don't even have the decency to make some sense with it. Well done.