I'd prefer Hillary. She has controversy surrounding her regarding the deletion of emails, but the FBI has already looked into it well. If she were a criminal, odds are they would have caught her by now since a presidental canidate's life is an open book to the law authorities. And while she has made poor decisions in the past, followed through with bad deals, and more... One has to keep in mind that the deals that were made in the middle east were started by George Bush. Trump on the other hand, is a wild card. He's proven time and time again that he's a liar, quite possibly just like Clinton. Especially on his stance with the war in Iraq. Not only that but he's a pervert, very hateful towards Mexicans and Muslims and women, (look up Donald Trump quotes on this matter) and since he's a Republican there's a good chance he's anti-homosexuality as well.
Now, Hillary has gotten some shit for being a feminazi or an SJW. I've seen all the presidental debates, and I don't see how anyone could possibly come to such a conclusion. If anybody has solid proof that Hillary is a filthy SJW misandrist, and presents it to me, I wouldn't vote at all or vote for a third party. But from what she's showed, I could definitely say that Hillary Clinton is an Egalitarian.
I would prefer somebody else altogether, but from what I've seen in the debates and what people have proved on the Internet, Hillary is the lesser of two evils. Sleazy politician or not, she's still a politician who has reasonable experience and knowledge on how to run things and her plans do seem solid. And that's certainly better than the bigot who went bankrupt four times and thinks building a giant wall through mountains, rivers, towns, and lakes is a good idea. Trump has vague plans, and it's easy to see from the debates that he doesn't have any clue what he's doing. He makes bold claims and points out the problems but doesn't offer any solutions so he bashes on Hillary instead.
If you disagree with me, I'm willing to talk it out as long as you're civil.
I agree with you and truthfully I'm fine with Hillary although I still think she should have been more honest with us all about the emails so we all wouldn't have this stupid controversy that the Republicans brought up for this election.
I'm not going to try and dispute your logic or convince you otherwise, but there are some statements you made that I disagree with.
I'll start with the FBI investigation. There has been quite a bit of talk that the FBI was very lenient with Hillary Clinton. There have been people who have committed similar crimes who have been put on probation or worse. She was the secretary of state and she was that careless about the security of her information? Even if it was not with bad intention, one has to seriously question that decision. The internet is one of the biggest platforms for conflict in modern day.
George Bush has nothing to do with this situation. Trump doesn't even seem to agree very much with Bush on a lot of topics and has even been critical of him. The other thing to keep in mind with that is that George Bush made decisions that he felt that he needed to make based on information, which was given to him probably by advisors. If you were in his shoes and someone told you that there were nuclear weapons in the middle east after an event like 9/11, you might have considered the same options.
Although it is up for debate whether or not Trump has some implied racism in what he says, there really is not much evidence to support that he is truly a racist. He hasn't ever said that one race is less than another race. People just assume that. He has made it very clear that he has an issue with people coming in illegally, but he has not said that it is because of the color of their skin or their ethnicity. In fact, he has said that he loves the Mexican people because of their great energy. In addition, he has tried to outreach to black communities and has stated that he knows there are issues in those communities, which need attention.
Calling Trump homophobic is inaccurate. He specifically, after the orlando shootings, made a statement saying how terrible it was that some people would shoot other people just because of their sexual orientation. He gave his condolences to the LGBT community. He also has not been very outspoken about gay marriage. I don't really think he cares about it very much either way. He also has said that he was for trans-genders being able to use whatever bathroom they want. He is not anti- LGBT.
I think you're right in that Hillary is not a SJW. But she pretends to be one a lot of the time. In my opinion, that means that she is faking her stances in order to fool the people and receive votes. If you look at some of the comments she has made in previous years, it's clear that her opinions have "changed". Whether that be about gay marriage, or even possibly other social issues.
That all being said, it's possible that Hillary is the better option. I'm not saying that she's not. Maybe she is. Maybe Trump is a dangerous candidate.. But there is a ton of misinformation that the media has put out there about Trump and I think that it is bad for people to make their decision based on assumptions that the media and many people have made.
Throwing this out there, because this sounds like a rare open minded discussion. I am a lefty, from a town of lefties and I actually think trump is the choice if it had to be one of the two.
My reason, which is one oddly neither side talks about is Obama's drone assassination campaign, that Hillary approved of all but 1% of the strikes that took place while she was secretary of state.
This campaign takes out thousands of people with no judge or jury, and has horrifically only a 10% accuracy of even getting the right guy. There are some terrifying interviews on youtube of drone "pilots" where they describe just how little information they go off of when deploying the drones.
So my thought is this, I would be petrified if this sort of thing were happening in my town, so why would I wish this on the people of Pakistan? I think this is a fair question for people considering to vote Hillary.
Trump has a bombastic, and volatile personality that many are assuming I think fairly to a degree that this will translate to poor and violent military decisions. With Hillary though we know this for certain, she has done this successfully as secretary of state with a republican congress and has stated that she wants to continue it as president.
So at the end of the day, if you truly care about women even if it isn't "sexist", while Donald has assaulted them sexually, Hillary has literally sent drones to blow up their children. And if you truly care about non-white people, that should also apply to the lives of non-whites living in other parts of the world right?
Can't stand Trump as much as the next Hillary supporter but can't find anything about him that worries me as much as the thought of a drone flying into my house at any given moment, which has been the reality for many in the middle east.
Very interesting point that I hadn't thought about. I agree that drones could be a gateway into something very dangerous.
I used to consider myself much more left. And to some extent, I feel like I still am on quite a few social issues.
That being said, recently I have realized that a lot of leftists such as Hillary sadly are all about giving mostly false hope. All saying the right things, but not really doing them. Her and her supporters preach and preach and preach, but their actions sometimes say otherwise. For example, like you said, preaching for women and minorities when they approve of drone strikes. Or advocating for more syrian refugees to come in when hate crimes targeted toward LGBT people or just anyone happen partly because of some of the beliefs held in those parts of the world.
Trump has had his issues for sure, but I feel like he has a little bit more integrity than Hillary.
The issue which you brought up is a real issue, and it's a shame that more people aren't aware or considering things such as that. I think that is largely the fault of the media.
I couldn't agree more about this. I think Obama said when he was running against Hillary, that she will say everything and do nothing. And to some extent that became true of his own presidency, at least in regards to sticking up for working class people.
While I feel like this term is often misused I think there truly is a double standard when it comes to Islam in regards to homo/transphobia as you pointed out. And this is something I'm yet to even hear an irrational explanation for.
I would agree. This is my biggest issue with voting Hillary, while my biggest issue with voting Trump isn't even him but the GOP platform that states things like declaring porn a public health crisis, or wanting to reverse the legalization of gay marriage. And none of these are things I've really heard talked about even on independent online media.
My post is specifically about authorizing drone strikes. Also I am stating that she was successfully able to authorize strikes, from the rest of the post it should be clear that these strikes themselves are horrendous.
Benghazi is another scenario of recklessness, but is a separate issue from Obama's drone campaign. My post is regarding flying unmanned aerial vehicles into Northwest Pakistan.
Hillary is guilty on the email thing, the FBI during the last investigation said she did a,b,&c but said because she wasn't purposefully malicious they wouldn't prosecute.
It's a matter of opinion but in mine they would've arrested anyone else, rather it was malicious or not. She got away with that because of her connections.
As for the accusations on Trump I disagree with most of them but I can understand why people would think the things they do about him, except for the pervert bit.
I've seen so many adds come out against him as a predator but the proof is so little. Most of the women who came out against him have had their claims proven lies.
The media has blatantly made up lies about him, when they interviewed one of his old girlfriends, they wrote she said trump was sexist and treated her badly, she came out the very next day saying the news twisted her words and she had nothing but good things to say about him.
As for the tape where trump said the horrible things he did. It was locker room talk between guys 12 years ago. Guys talk bullshit, they just do, it doesn't mean they've ever actually done it.
Also Trump never went bankrupt, his companies did, there's a big difference. It was a financial strategy, not a failure, his current success is proof of that.
I will concede though Trump's plans have always been disturbingly vague.
Look Hillary isn't guilty although she should have been more honest with us all in the first place so the stupid Republicans wouldn't be bringing this up and creating it as a scandal for the election. I'm an independent and if I were to vote for this election I would vote for Hillary. I agree with you on what you're trying to prove here.
It may have been locker room talk, but it wasn't in a locker room. It was in a professional environment: his work. And I don't believe Trump was a sexual predator, because that's a big thing to believe without proof of it. That's why I said pervert instead of rapist, because he's bragging about groping random women without consent, even if he didn't really do so.
Hillary's email thing was primarily due to the technicians putting her on the wrong server, so I agree with the decision of the FBI. I don't deny that Hillary did delete emails, as she's admitted it herself.
I've seen enough of trump to know that many of the things said about him are true. However, the words of his girlfriend cannot be used as fact. Especially since the news are known to twist things.
Trump is still a Republican, and Republican standards are not fond of equal marriage rights and are known for having a strong dislike towards those who aren't straight. As a bisexual, that bothers me.
I respect your opinion because you seem fairly down-to-earth based on your posts, and you haven't made any blatant lies on behalf of Trump. But I still believe that Hillary is the better choice, and I still plan on voting for her as of now.
fair enough, I don't approve of your choice of candidate but I'm glad you at least vote. Whatever you believe, and whoever you like I'm glad you at least use the right to vote that so many neglect.
Btw since you've mentioned Trump being a republican and republicans being anti homosexual, twice I wanted to add.
Trump is leading the Republican party officially, but he is by no means whatsoever a traditional republican and many have gone far enough to say he isn't really a republican at all. This plus being from new york a liberal city leads me to believe Trump is probably not anti-homosexual or at least not as much as you think.
That being said I haven't kept up with this aspect of him, and the media hasn't covered this one as much, so this is just my opinion. Personally I don't think he really cares on this subject much one way or another.
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I'd prefer Hillary. She has controversy surrounding her regarding the deletion of emails, but the FBI has already looked into it well. If she were a criminal, odds are they would have caught her by now since a presidental canidate's life is an open book to the law authorities. And while she has made poor decisions in the past, followed through with bad deals, and more... One has to keep in mind that the deals that were made in the middle east were started by George Bush. Trump on the other hand, is a wild card. He's proven time and time again that he's a liar, quite possibly just like Clinton. Especially on his stance with the war in Iraq. Not only that but he's a pervert, very hateful towards Mexicans and Muslims and women, (look up Donald Trump quotes on this matter) and since he's a Republican there's a good chance he's anti-homosexuality as well.
Now, Hillary has gotten some shit for being a feminazi or an SJW. I've seen all the presidental debates, and I don't see how anyone could possibly come to such a conclusion. If anybody has solid proof that Hillary is a filthy SJW misandrist, and presents it to me, I wouldn't vote at all or vote for a third party. But from what she's showed, I could definitely say that Hillary Clinton is an Egalitarian.
I would prefer somebody else altogether, but from what I've seen in the debates and what people have proved on the Internet, Hillary is the lesser of two evils. Sleazy politician or not, she's still a politician who has reasonable experience and knowledge on how to run things and her plans do seem solid. And that's certainly better than the bigot who went bankrupt four times and thinks building a giant wall through mountains, rivers, towns, and lakes is a good idea. Trump has vague plans, and it's easy to see from the debates that he doesn't have any clue what he's doing. He makes bold claims and points out the problems but doesn't offer any solutions so he bashes on Hillary instead.
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I agree with you and truthfully I'm fine with Hillary although I still think she should have been more honest with us all about the emails so we all wouldn't have this stupid controversy that the Republicans brought up for this election.
I'm not going to try and dispute your logic or convince you otherwise, but there are some statements you made that I disagree with.
I'll start with the FBI investigation. There has been quite a bit of talk that the FBI was very lenient with Hillary Clinton. There have been people who have committed similar crimes who have been put on probation or worse. She was the secretary of state and she was that careless about the security of her information? Even if it was not with bad intention, one has to seriously question that decision. The internet is one of the biggest platforms for conflict in modern day.
George Bush has nothing to do with this situation. Trump doesn't even seem to agree very much with Bush on a lot of topics and has even been critical of him. The other thing to keep in mind with that is that George Bush made decisions that he felt that he needed to make based on information, which was given to him probably by advisors. If you were in his shoes and someone told you that there were nuclear weapons in the middle east after an event like 9/11, you might have considered the same options.
Although it is up for debate whether or not Trump has some implied racism in what he says, there really is not much evidence to support that he is truly a racist. He hasn't ever said that one race is less than another race. People just assume that. He has made it very clear that he has an issue with people coming in illegally, but he has not said that it is because of the color of their skin or their ethnicity. In fact, he has said that he loves the Mexican people because of their great energy. In addition, he has tried to outreach to black communities and has stated that he knows there are issues in those communities, which need attention.
Calling Trump homophobic is inaccurate. He specifically, after the orlando shootings, made a statement saying how terrible it was that some people would shoot other people just because of their sexual orientation. He gave his condolences to the LGBT community. He also has not been very outspoken about gay marriage. I don't really think he cares about it very much either way. He also has said that he was for trans-genders being able to use whatever bathroom they want. He is not anti- LGBT.
I think you're right in that Hillary is not a SJW. But she pretends to be one a lot of the time. In my opinion, that means that she is faking her stances in order to fool the people and receive votes. If you look at some of the comments she has made in previous years, it's clear that her opinions have "changed". Whether that be about gay marriage, or even possibly other social issues.
That all being said, it's possible that Hillary is the better option. I'm not saying that she's not. Maybe she is. Maybe Trump is a dangerous candidate.. But there is a ton of misinformation that the media has put out there about Trump and I think that it is bad for people to make their decision based on assumptions that the media and many people have made.
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Throwing this out there, because this sounds like a rare open minded discussion. I am a lefty, from a town of lefties and I actually think trump is the choice if it had to be one of the two.
My reason, which is one oddly neither side talks about is Obama's drone assassination campaign, that Hillary approved of all but 1% of the strikes that took place while she was secretary of state.
This campaign takes out thousands of people with no judge or jury, and has horrifically only a 10% accuracy of even getting the right guy. There are some terrifying interviews on youtube of drone "pilots" where they describe just how little information they go off of when deploying the drones.
So my thought is this, I would be petrified if this sort of thing were happening in my town, so why would I wish this on the people of Pakistan? I think this is a fair question for people considering to vote Hillary.
Trump has a bombastic, and volatile personality that many are assuming I think fairly to a degree that this will translate to poor and violent military decisions. With Hillary though we know this for certain, she has done this successfully as secretary of state with a republican congress and has stated that she wants to continue it as president.
So at the end of the day, if you truly care about women even if it isn't "sexist", while Donald has assaulted them sexually, Hillary has literally sent drones to blow up their children. And if you truly care about non-white people, that should also apply to the lives of non-whites living in other parts of the world right?
Can't stand Trump as much as the next Hillary supporter but can't find anything about him that worries me as much as the thought of a drone flying into my house at any given moment, which has been the reality for many in the middle east.
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Very interesting point that I hadn't thought about. I agree that drones could be a gateway into something very dangerous.
I used to consider myself much more left. And to some extent, I feel like I still am on quite a few social issues.
That being said, recently I have realized that a lot of leftists such as Hillary sadly are all about giving mostly false hope. All saying the right things, but not really doing them. Her and her supporters preach and preach and preach, but their actions sometimes say otherwise. For example, like you said, preaching for women and minorities when they approve of drone strikes. Or advocating for more syrian refugees to come in when hate crimes targeted toward LGBT people or just anyone happen partly because of some of the beliefs held in those parts of the world.
Trump has had his issues for sure, but I feel like he has a little bit more integrity than Hillary.
The issue which you brought up is a real issue, and it's a shame that more people aren't aware or considering things such as that. I think that is largely the fault of the media.
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Thanks, I'm glad you found it interesting.
I couldn't agree more about this. I think Obama said when he was running against Hillary, that she will say everything and do nothing. And to some extent that became true of his own presidency, at least in regards to sticking up for working class people.
While I feel like this term is often misused I think there truly is a double standard when it comes to Islam in regards to homo/transphobia as you pointed out. And this is something I'm yet to even hear an irrational explanation for.
I would agree. This is my biggest issue with voting Hillary, while my biggest issue with voting Trump isn't even him but the GOP platform that states things like declaring porn a public health crisis, or wanting to reverse the legalization of gay marriage. And none of these are things I've really heard talked about even on independent online media.
Successfully?...as in Benghazi, where for diplomats lost their lives due to her incompetency?
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My post is specifically about authorizing drone strikes. Also I am stating that she was successfully able to authorize strikes, from the rest of the post it should be clear that these strikes themselves are horrendous.
Benghazi is another scenario of recklessness, but is a separate issue from Obama's drone campaign. My post is regarding flying unmanned aerial vehicles into Northwest Pakistan.
Trump isn't anti-LGBT? That's certainly news for me. No wonder he's losing so many conservative voters.
Hillary is guilty on the email thing, the FBI during the last investigation said she did a,b,&c but said because she wasn't purposefully malicious they wouldn't prosecute.
It's a matter of opinion but in mine they would've arrested anyone else, rather it was malicious or not. She got away with that because of her connections.
As for the accusations on Trump I disagree with most of them but I can understand why people would think the things they do about him, except for the pervert bit.
I've seen so many adds come out against him as a predator but the proof is so little. Most of the women who came out against him have had their claims proven lies.
The media has blatantly made up lies about him, when they interviewed one of his old girlfriends, they wrote she said trump was sexist and treated her badly, she came out the very next day saying the news twisted her words and she had nothing but good things to say about him.
As for the tape where trump said the horrible things he did. It was locker room talk between guys 12 years ago. Guys talk bullshit, they just do, it doesn't mean they've ever actually done it.
Also Trump never went bankrupt, his companies did, there's a big difference. It was a financial strategy, not a failure, his current success is proof of that.
I will concede though Trump's plans have always been disturbingly vague.
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Look Hillary isn't guilty although she should have been more honest with us all in the first place so the stupid Republicans wouldn't be bringing this up and creating it as a scandal for the election. I'm an independent and if I were to vote for this election I would vote for Hillary. I agree with you on what you're trying to prove here.
It may have been locker room talk, but it wasn't in a locker room. It was in a professional environment: his work. And I don't believe Trump was a sexual predator, because that's a big thing to believe without proof of it. That's why I said pervert instead of rapist, because he's bragging about groping random women without consent, even if he didn't really do so.
Hillary's email thing was primarily due to the technicians putting her on the wrong server, so I agree with the decision of the FBI. I don't deny that Hillary did delete emails, as she's admitted it herself.
I've seen enough of trump to know that many of the things said about him are true. However, the words of his girlfriend cannot be used as fact. Especially since the news are known to twist things.
Trump is still a Republican, and Republican standards are not fond of equal marriage rights and are known for having a strong dislike towards those who aren't straight. As a bisexual, that bothers me.
I respect your opinion because you seem fairly down-to-earth based on your posts, and you haven't made any blatant lies on behalf of Trump. But I still believe that Hillary is the better choice, and I still plan on voting for her as of now.
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fair enough, I don't approve of your choice of candidate but I'm glad you at least vote. Whatever you believe, and whoever you like I'm glad you at least use the right to vote that so many neglect.
Btw since you've mentioned Trump being a republican and republicans being anti homosexual, twice I wanted to add.
Trump is leading the Republican party officially, but he is by no means whatsoever a traditional republican and many have gone far enough to say he isn't really a republican at all. This plus being from new york a liberal city leads me to believe Trump is probably not anti-homosexual or at least not as much as you think.
That being said I haven't kept up with this aspect of him, and the media hasn't covered this one as much, so this is just my opinion. Personally I don't think he really cares on this subject much one way or another.