I mean if you don't watch the news and just look at posted numbers, covid isn't scary. The lockdowns aren't justified. Both sides are lying, they're playing with statistics and moving goalposts to fit the narrative.
But thats a good example, look at it like this. CNN and Fox are supposed to be the opposite sides of the argument, right? The argument they're feeding is "Do we save grandmas or bars" as if that's the only issue here. Each side feeds their viewers an argument, which conveniently is the exact opposite of the argument of the other side. Lock everybody inside, throw in some social media bots to further parrot approved news narratives, and now everybody's arguing with each other while they turn the "Fascist police state" dial up as far as they can get away wtih.
The "Post christmas surge" in my area was caused by a whole bunch of people going out in the days before christmas and getting tested, and then a big drop in tests after while the positives stayed the same. This caused a "spike" in the percentage of positives which they tried selling as an increase in cases. "Covid" exists, if you're counting motorcycle deaths as covid deaths I'm not convinced its a big deal. They're using the panic to further agendas they wanted to push through anyway.
If they weren't posting Covid propaganda all over the place and making people wear non-medical grade masks that don't do anything you wouldn't even know it existed.
Well, sure, nothing is scary if you pretend it doesn’t exist. That’s the whole point of the “this is fine” me. I guess it really just depends on how much you pay attention to the world around you and who’s in your circle. For me, my best friend and my sister-in-law both work in hospitals in major cities, so it’d be pretty hard to miss. It’s not everyday that you run out of ambulances or you have to relax air quality regulations so you can keep burning all the dead bodies.
Maybe you were doing this ironically and I’m misreading it, I don’t know, but this is a perfect example of what I’m talking about, a complaint about Covid propaganda that is immediately preceded and proceeded by...Covid propaganda. “Counting motorcycle deaths as Covid deaths” and “non-medical grade masks that don’t do anything” are both propaganda pushed by people with an agenda. There’s been infinitely more Covid deaths counted as something else than the other way around but if you convince the people that the other side is fascist and you’re helping them fight against it, they’re a lot less likely to notice the fascism you’re doing. It’s all a diversion, that’s one thing Trump actually knows and understands.
Also, CNN capitulates to the right far too often to be the opposite of Fox. How many people left Trump’s administration to go work for CNN, or vice versa? People had signed NDAs and legally could not say a bad word about Trump and were being presented as credible sources on CNN. That’s like saying gray is the opposite side of white. That’s another diversion. If you convince people that the moderates have a bias against you, it makes the extremists on your side look like the moderates. It’s all about shifting the Overton window.
But yes, everything is about arguments these days. Sadly, that’s what drives ratings(and not just in politics), which means it’s what makes money for the networks. This all goes away if people who calls themselves News can’t make money on advertising, but that’s not going to happen anytime soon.
Im not being Ironic, and I don't have an agenda. Im just talking what I believe. I dont care if people wear masks or anything, covid is a stupid psyop thats making everybody go crazy.
Im in an area thats had a pretty high rate of infection. I'm not going out licking doorknobs to try to get sick, but I've had to basically keep chooglin on as normal to survive. I haven't seen any massive funeral pyres around, and any of the hospitals I pass on public transit getting around don't seem to be piling bodies outside, or even particularly busy. Only thing I notice is I have to wear a mask on the train and its literally impossible for me to make a living.
In terms of the motorcycle deaths thing, They're counting any death within 28 days of a covid positive test a covid death. Including accidents and Hospice patients. You can look this up from the same sources that provide the statistics. Also, the pack of masks I had to buy to get on the train today specifically says they're not for medical use on the package. Nobody told me that, I see it because I was reading the package. NOT A MEDICAL DEVICE, but I need it to get on the train.
Ive had a lot of time to do my own research lately. I'm not arguing and I'm totally not supporting Trump if thats the idea you were getting. If he was for real he wouldve called out how stupid building a colony on mars would be. Both sides are lying. My point was all this is designed to create arguments. Dealing with a real public health threat is a nuanced thing, not OLD PEOPLE VS BARS AND MOVIE THEATERS WHO MATTERS MORE PICK A SIDE. Both sides are polarizing pre-approved arguments to keep people arguing with each other, and the spectrum of approved news stations gives everybody an opinion they agree with to choose from.
I’m familiar with the “motorcycle deaths are counted” nonsense. They’re not counted as Covid deaths. What happens is, in some cases it takes time for a medical examiner to determine the cause of death. Sometimes a person who has Covid will die of something else and it may be listed as a Covid death UNTIL the medical examiner determines the cause of death, and if it wasn’t Covid, it gets fixed. Yes, it shouldn’t have been counted in the first place, but the it gets fixed, it doesn’t stay that way. That happened one(1) time, in Florida. A guy died in a motorcycle accident, tested positive for Covid, and he was listed as a Covid death UNTIL the medical examiner determined he died from injuries caused by the accident. There was also a person in Pennsylvania who was in a car accident, tested positive for Covid, and died. The thing is, the accident was caused because they had a coughing fit and lost consciousness, and they didn’t suffer any injuries related to the accident, so that was counted as a Covid death. So you have to let the medical examiner do their job and figure out what actually happened before you count it either way, because saying that’s a car accident death would be like saying watching TV killed my dad because that’s what he were doing when he had a heart attack.
You don’t need a mask designed for medical use to help stop the spread of the virus. The point isn’t to prevent every single infection, the point is to slow it down as much as reasonably possible. You should look into exponential growth and read about how even the slightest reduction in infectivity can have a huge impact long term, it’s wild. And it’s all just basic math, it’s not like it’s a wild conspiracy that can’t be proven. You can do the math yourself with a calculator. But I’m a numbers geek so maybe I care more about that stuff than other people, I don’t know.
I get what you’re saying about generating arguments, and you’re right. They need people to argue so they get better ratings and make more money. It happens with everything, turn on ESPN at any given time and you’ll probably see two angry former players yelling about whether LeBron is better than MJ or who’s going to win the Super Bowl. Everybody has to have a strong opinion, everybody has to make sure everybody else knows what their opinion is, and they have to get really, really mad at people who have a different opinion. And, for whatever reason, that’s what people like to watch on TV or listen to on the radio. It’s a societal problem that I really have no idea how to fix.
I’m just saying, it’s easy to get sucked into the propaganda that one side or the other puts out, so take it easy with the “they’re counting motorcycle deaths” stuff. You don’t want to become part of the problem.
I can't find the chart that listed covid comorbidities anymore. It was listing a couple thousand of them as "accidents"
I dont really ever watch TV. I watch a lot of NASA and SpaceX videos, mostly just because I know its fake. Not a mask argument person, but I've never really been a fan of authority and I resent the government telling me what's "for my own good."
The argument thing, that's the point of news. I feel like for the most part people don't want to seem "ignorant" and use having a strong opinion as a way to seem more educated. I see it as, if Im ignorant of politics or goings on in a country far away, its because it doesn't have any meaningful effect on my life and I don't feel like its a productive use of my time to pay attention to it. I don't care who they select to be president, I barely interact with most of society to where it would make a difference. I'm not against lockdowns for political reasons, I'm against them because they've had a very negative effect on my mental health and ability to make a living.
Most people don't see it that way, and feel the need to have a loud, serious opinion on whatever issues are put out there as being "important" Every one of these issues is usually an A or B question, for example. "Do we let grandpa die from this virus or close down his Hardware store so it goes out of buisiness?" Real life is nuanced, its not an either/or question all the time. Life isn't a series of multiple choice questions with 2 answer choices. That's why there's no legitimate 3rd parties, because every issue only has 2 possible answers.
They're "pre-approved" arguments that the outcome has no effect on the status quo. None of the bankers ruling the world care if gay people get married or not. The issue is useful because its polarizing and distracts from other issues people might have if left to their own devices.
The covid thing is lies with truth sprinkled in. It's very obvious to me this is a controlled and scripted narrative that both sides are using to accomplish other things they wanted to do anyway.
Even the CDC did a study that said the death rate for covid is 0.02% when accounting for how many ppl had covid and werent tested. That is relatively low to close down the world.
COVID has already killed at least 0.013%(not accounting for people who didn’t get tested or had a false negative before they died) of the entire US population. For the death rate to be 0.02%, more than half the country would have had to already had it. That’s extremely unlikely, if not completely impossibls.
What the CDC did say, though, is that their rough estimate is somewhere between 0.2% and 1%, with a best estimate of 0.4%, which is quite high for a novel virus. Keep in mind that this was when the CDC was under Trump’s thumb, and he once used a sharpie to alter a graph showing a hurricane’s projected path(among other things), and most independent scientists think their estimate was low, probably in the 0.5-1.5% range. And, as we’ve seen multiple times in multiple cities and countries, that number soars when the number of cases is beyond the capacity of what the health care system can handle.
Where has the hospital capacity overloaded past a normal flu season? Im in NY in a "high" infection area and Ive been past a couple hospitals, the ER was empty if you look through the window.
Obviously all hospitals are different and I can’t speak for the ones you see, but I do know that a hospital would have to be way beyond overloaded before anything would be noticeable to an outside observer. And it’s not like they’re going to have suspected COVID patients just sitting in a waiting room mingling with all the other patients.
Remember last march they had all those videos of people collapsing in the streets in china waiting to get into hospitals? That never happened anywhere.
They're playing with numbers to scare everyone so they can usher in totalitarian NWO agendas.
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I mean if you don't watch the news and just look at posted numbers, covid isn't scary. The lockdowns aren't justified. Both sides are lying, they're playing with statistics and moving goalposts to fit the narrative.
But thats a good example, look at it like this. CNN and Fox are supposed to be the opposite sides of the argument, right? The argument they're feeding is "Do we save grandmas or bars" as if that's the only issue here. Each side feeds their viewers an argument, which conveniently is the exact opposite of the argument of the other side. Lock everybody inside, throw in some social media bots to further parrot approved news narratives, and now everybody's arguing with each other while they turn the "Fascist police state" dial up as far as they can get away wtih.
The "Post christmas surge" in my area was caused by a whole bunch of people going out in the days before christmas and getting tested, and then a big drop in tests after while the positives stayed the same. This caused a "spike" in the percentage of positives which they tried selling as an increase in cases. "Covid" exists, if you're counting motorcycle deaths as covid deaths I'm not convinced its a big deal. They're using the panic to further agendas they wanted to push through anyway.
If they weren't posting Covid propaganda all over the place and making people wear non-medical grade masks that don't do anything you wouldn't even know it existed.
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Well, sure, nothing is scary if you pretend it doesn’t exist. That’s the whole point of the “this is fine” me. I guess it really just depends on how much you pay attention to the world around you and who’s in your circle. For me, my best friend and my sister-in-law both work in hospitals in major cities, so it’d be pretty hard to miss. It’s not everyday that you run out of ambulances or you have to relax air quality regulations so you can keep burning all the dead bodies.
Maybe you were doing this ironically and I’m misreading it, I don’t know, but this is a perfect example of what I’m talking about, a complaint about Covid propaganda that is immediately preceded and proceeded by...Covid propaganda. “Counting motorcycle deaths as Covid deaths” and “non-medical grade masks that don’t do anything” are both propaganda pushed by people with an agenda. There’s been infinitely more Covid deaths counted as something else than the other way around but if you convince the people that the other side is fascist and you’re helping them fight against it, they’re a lot less likely to notice the fascism you’re doing. It’s all a diversion, that’s one thing Trump actually knows and understands.
Also, CNN capitulates to the right far too often to be the opposite of Fox. How many people left Trump’s administration to go work for CNN, or vice versa? People had signed NDAs and legally could not say a bad word about Trump and were being presented as credible sources on CNN. That’s like saying gray is the opposite side of white. That’s another diversion. If you convince people that the moderates have a bias against you, it makes the extremists on your side look like the moderates. It’s all about shifting the Overton window.
But yes, everything is about arguments these days. Sadly, that’s what drives ratings(and not just in politics), which means it’s what makes money for the networks. This all goes away if people who calls themselves News can’t make money on advertising, but that’s not going to happen anytime soon.
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Im not being Ironic, and I don't have an agenda. Im just talking what I believe. I dont care if people wear masks or anything, covid is a stupid psyop thats making everybody go crazy.
Im in an area thats had a pretty high rate of infection. I'm not going out licking doorknobs to try to get sick, but I've had to basically keep chooglin on as normal to survive. I haven't seen any massive funeral pyres around, and any of the hospitals I pass on public transit getting around don't seem to be piling bodies outside, or even particularly busy. Only thing I notice is I have to wear a mask on the train and its literally impossible for me to make a living.
In terms of the motorcycle deaths thing, They're counting any death within 28 days of a covid positive test a covid death. Including accidents and Hospice patients. You can look this up from the same sources that provide the statistics. Also, the pack of masks I had to buy to get on the train today specifically says they're not for medical use on the package. Nobody told me that, I see it because I was reading the package. NOT A MEDICAL DEVICE, but I need it to get on the train.
Ive had a lot of time to do my own research lately. I'm not arguing and I'm totally not supporting Trump if thats the idea you were getting. If he was for real he wouldve called out how stupid building a colony on mars would be. Both sides are lying. My point was all this is designed to create arguments. Dealing with a real public health threat is a nuanced thing, not OLD PEOPLE VS BARS AND MOVIE THEATERS WHO MATTERS MORE PICK A SIDE. Both sides are polarizing pre-approved arguments to keep people arguing with each other, and the spectrum of approved news stations gives everybody an opinion they agree with to choose from.
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I’m familiar with the “motorcycle deaths are counted” nonsense. They’re not counted as Covid deaths. What happens is, in some cases it takes time for a medical examiner to determine the cause of death. Sometimes a person who has Covid will die of something else and it may be listed as a Covid death UNTIL the medical examiner determines the cause of death, and if it wasn’t Covid, it gets fixed. Yes, it shouldn’t have been counted in the first place, but the it gets fixed, it doesn’t stay that way. That happened one(1) time, in Florida. A guy died in a motorcycle accident, tested positive for Covid, and he was listed as a Covid death UNTIL the medical examiner determined he died from injuries caused by the accident. There was also a person in Pennsylvania who was in a car accident, tested positive for Covid, and died. The thing is, the accident was caused because they had a coughing fit and lost consciousness, and they didn’t suffer any injuries related to the accident, so that was counted as a Covid death. So you have to let the medical examiner do their job and figure out what actually happened before you count it either way, because saying that’s a car accident death would be like saying watching TV killed my dad because that’s what he were doing when he had a heart attack.
You don’t need a mask designed for medical use to help stop the spread of the virus. The point isn’t to prevent every single infection, the point is to slow it down as much as reasonably possible. You should look into exponential growth and read about how even the slightest reduction in infectivity can have a huge impact long term, it’s wild. And it’s all just basic math, it’s not like it’s a wild conspiracy that can’t be proven. You can do the math yourself with a calculator. But I’m a numbers geek so maybe I care more about that stuff than other people, I don’t know.
I get what you’re saying about generating arguments, and you’re right. They need people to argue so they get better ratings and make more money. It happens with everything, turn on ESPN at any given time and you’ll probably see two angry former players yelling about whether LeBron is better than MJ or who’s going to win the Super Bowl. Everybody has to have a strong opinion, everybody has to make sure everybody else knows what their opinion is, and they have to get really, really mad at people who have a different opinion. And, for whatever reason, that’s what people like to watch on TV or listen to on the radio. It’s a societal problem that I really have no idea how to fix.
I’m just saying, it’s easy to get sucked into the propaganda that one side or the other puts out, so take it easy with the “they’re counting motorcycle deaths” stuff. You don’t want to become part of the problem.
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I can't find the chart that listed covid comorbidities anymore. It was listing a couple thousand of them as "accidents"
I dont really ever watch TV. I watch a lot of NASA and SpaceX videos, mostly just because I know its fake. Not a mask argument person, but I've never really been a fan of authority and I resent the government telling me what's "for my own good."
The argument thing, that's the point of news. I feel like for the most part people don't want to seem "ignorant" and use having a strong opinion as a way to seem more educated. I see it as, if Im ignorant of politics or goings on in a country far away, its because it doesn't have any meaningful effect on my life and I don't feel like its a productive use of my time to pay attention to it. I don't care who they select to be president, I barely interact with most of society to where it would make a difference. I'm not against lockdowns for political reasons, I'm against them because they've had a very negative effect on my mental health and ability to make a living.
Most people don't see it that way, and feel the need to have a loud, serious opinion on whatever issues are put out there as being "important" Every one of these issues is usually an A or B question, for example. "Do we let grandpa die from this virus or close down his Hardware store so it goes out of buisiness?" Real life is nuanced, its not an either/or question all the time. Life isn't a series of multiple choice questions with 2 answer choices. That's why there's no legitimate 3rd parties, because every issue only has 2 possible answers.
They're "pre-approved" arguments that the outcome has no effect on the status quo. None of the bankers ruling the world care if gay people get married or not. The issue is useful because its polarizing and distracts from other issues people might have if left to their own devices.
The covid thing is lies with truth sprinkled in. It's very obvious to me this is a controlled and scripted narrative that both sides are using to accomplish other things they wanted to do anyway.
Even the CDC did a study that said the death rate for covid is 0.02% when accounting for how many ppl had covid and werent tested. That is relatively low to close down the world.
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COVID has already killed at least 0.013%(not accounting for people who didn’t get tested or had a false negative before they died) of the entire US population. For the death rate to be 0.02%, more than half the country would have had to already had it. That’s extremely unlikely, if not completely impossibls.
What the CDC did say, though, is that their rough estimate is somewhere between 0.2% and 1%, with a best estimate of 0.4%, which is quite high for a novel virus. Keep in mind that this was when the CDC was under Trump’s thumb, and he once used a sharpie to alter a graph showing a hurricane’s projected path(among other things), and most independent scientists think their estimate was low, probably in the 0.5-1.5% range. And, as we’ve seen multiple times in multiple cities and countries, that number soars when the number of cases is beyond the capacity of what the health care system can handle.
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Where has the hospital capacity overloaded past a normal flu season? Im in NY in a "high" infection area and Ive been past a couple hospitals, the ER was empty if you look through the window.
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Obviously all hospitals are different and I can’t speak for the ones you see, but I do know that a hospital would have to be way beyond overloaded before anything would be noticeable to an outside observer. And it’s not like they’re going to have suspected COVID patients just sitting in a waiting room mingling with all the other patients.
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Remember last march they had all those videos of people collapsing in the streets in china waiting to get into hospitals? That never happened anywhere.
They're playing with numbers to scare everyone so they can usher in totalitarian NWO agendas.