I would love to hear a single case of someone in the crowd having a gun and this occurence stopping a mass shooting. Cos I have heard that argument, but I haven't seen it happening.
All I can see is that "defender" being mistaken for the original shooter and being shot by law enforcement. Or some other defender who means well but is clueless and panicking.
Surely the US has had enough shootings now that someone has tried this? No?
Just recently during the church shootings a man also armed with an AK shot at and stopped that twisted fucker from killing more people. It stopped his rampage all together.
Just because someone has a gun doesn't mean it'll stop all the killings, but once they start at least if someone had a weapon they would have a chance.
Once the killer/attacker is shot the person who saved the day would then drop their weapon too so they don't get blasted by the cops or swat.
It makes NO sense to take away law abiding citizen's guns. They/we have the right to protect ourselves. Those who typically go on these rampages and/or do crimes do so with illegal firearms or illegally obtained.
Ordinarily I defend the media. However The media has a bias against guns. They give a very disproportionate view and play down any defensive use of firearms.
"If It Bleeds, It Leads" so they sensationalize the shootings. In 2016 homicide was the 16th leading cause of death; the flu and pneumonia, comparatively, killed more than three times as many people. (Source:National Safety Council)
Perhaps, though from an outside the USA/occasional US visitor stance, your media seems to be fairly pro gun. I can't say I've read extensively, though.
I don't know the statistics, but I also don't doubt you. I know that you're a well informed and intelligent person. But I still don't understand why anyone wouldn't want to prevent an easily preventable death. And mass shootings just don't happen in the developed world like they do in the US.
Like, honestly, have guns if you want, that's your business. But surely responsible gun owners agree there should be stringent rules and regulations enforced? You are a sensible and responsible person, but that's not always the case...there's so many crazies and just plain idiots.
I'm tired and in pain so I've probably waffled. Lemme know what I fucked up.
I should have specified the news media. I can't imagine American movies WITHOUT guns.
There really are no simple solutions.
Many problems arise out of the individual States rights to enact laws vs Federal rights. I always thought it was a national law that a person had to be at least 18 in order to purchase a firearm. I only recently discovered that in the state of Virginia there is no minimum age requirement. I think that's nuts. But anti-gun people would not be happy if the federal government required them to recognize pistol permits from all other states. As it is now, states will recognize some other states pistol permits but not from ALL 50 states. Only those other states with whom they have a reciprocity agreement. As I said, it gets pretty complicated.
Yeah, definitely. Nothing is simple. I'm of the inclination to believe that many if not all things can be vastly improved by education and early childhood intervention, but I guess as someone who trained as an early childhood educator, I'm kinda biased...
I have no doubt there are many anti gun people who think a full ban is the only option. I have to say as an anti gun person myself, that would certainly be my ideal. But obviously, it'll never happen. It's ingrained in American culture. It really SHOULD be easy to find a compromise, but as most people, particularly those in positions of power, are retarded fuckknuckles...well...
Youre australian right?
You never had to worry about school shooters...did you even think about it?
When i was in school i always said never bully or humiliate anybody cause they just might blow you away. But these days shooters are killing random kids they dont even know.
So get angry about your government not doing shit to protect people.
We haven't had a mass shooting since I was in primary school. Because it happened, 35 people died, and the prime minister did the right thing and set shit into action to make gun laws sensible and safer. Has it completely stopped gun crime? Of course not. Has it made gun ownership illegal? No. Just more safely regulated. But we don't have children being murdered every other month.
So I'm not sure why you're blasting me because I didn't experience it personally. Blast the idiots who are in charge (who also didn't have all the school shootings we have nowadays when they were in school, but whatever...) who could do shit to fix it, but don't care about children's safety if it interferes with lining their own pockets.
Im not attacking you or anything, im just pondering what its like not to have this issue. I think you misunderstood my tone.
I definitely think there should be stricter gun rules and if a person is threatening to committ a violent act domeone should intervene
Does everyone REALLY think arming teachers will stop gun violence?
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I would love to hear a single case of someone in the crowd having a gun and this occurence stopping a mass shooting. Cos I have heard that argument, but I haven't seen it happening.
All I can see is that "defender" being mistaken for the original shooter and being shot by law enforcement. Or some other defender who means well but is clueless and panicking.
Surely the US has had enough shootings now that someone has tried this? No?
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happened in texas three months ago
https://www.truthrevolt.org/news/reminder-former-nra-instructor-armed-ar-15-stopped-tx-church-shooting
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I stand corrected.
I was thinking more along the lines of someone actually targeted by the shooter, but I didn't think about people nearby like that.
Has there ever been a mass shooting at a gun show?
Just recently during the church shootings a man also armed with an AK shot at and stopped that twisted fucker from killing more people. It stopped his rampage all together.
Just because someone has a gun doesn't mean it'll stop all the killings, but once they start at least if someone had a weapon they would have a chance.
Once the killer/attacker is shot the person who saved the day would then drop their weapon too so they don't get blasted by the cops or swat.
It makes NO sense to take away law abiding citizen's guns. They/we have the right to protect ourselves. Those who typically go on these rampages and/or do crimes do so with illegal firearms or illegally obtained.
Ordinarily I defend the media. However The media has a bias against guns. They give a very disproportionate view and play down any defensive use of firearms.
"If It Bleeds, It Leads" so they sensationalize the shootings. In 2016 homicide was the 16th leading cause of death; the flu and pneumonia, comparatively, killed more than three times as many people. (Source:National Safety Council)
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Perhaps, though from an outside the USA/occasional US visitor stance, your media seems to be fairly pro gun. I can't say I've read extensively, though.
I don't know the statistics, but I also don't doubt you. I know that you're a well informed and intelligent person. But I still don't understand why anyone wouldn't want to prevent an easily preventable death. And mass shootings just don't happen in the developed world like they do in the US.
Like, honestly, have guns if you want, that's your business. But surely responsible gun owners agree there should be stringent rules and regulations enforced? You are a sensible and responsible person, but that's not always the case...there's so many crazies and just plain idiots.
I'm tired and in pain so I've probably waffled. Lemme know what I fucked up.
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I should have specified the news media. I can't imagine American movies WITHOUT guns.
There really are no simple solutions.
Many problems arise out of the individual States rights to enact laws vs Federal rights. I always thought it was a national law that a person had to be at least 18 in order to purchase a firearm. I only recently discovered that in the state of Virginia there is no minimum age requirement. I think that's nuts. But anti-gun people would not be happy if the federal government required them to recognize pistol permits from all other states. As it is now, states will recognize some other states pistol permits but not from ALL 50 states. Only those other states with whom they have a reciprocity agreement. As I said, it gets pretty complicated.
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Oh I figured that was what you meant. Haha.
Yeah, definitely. Nothing is simple. I'm of the inclination to believe that many if not all things can be vastly improved by education and early childhood intervention, but I guess as someone who trained as an early childhood educator, I'm kinda biased...
I have no doubt there are many anti gun people who think a full ban is the only option. I have to say as an anti gun person myself, that would certainly be my ideal. But obviously, it'll never happen. It's ingrained in American culture. It really SHOULD be easy to find a compromise, but as most people, particularly those in positions of power, are retarded fuckknuckles...well...
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Retarded Fuckknuckle is an excellent assessment of our current "leader".
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Ugh. I honestly have no words for that situation.
Youre australian right?
You never had to worry about school shooters...did you even think about it?
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So get angry about your government not doing shit to protect people.
We haven't had a mass shooting since I was in primary school. Because it happened, 35 people died, and the prime minister did the right thing and set shit into action to make gun laws sensible and safer. Has it completely stopped gun crime? Of course not. Has it made gun ownership illegal? No. Just more safely regulated. But we don't have children being murdered every other month.
So I'm not sure why you're blasting me because I didn't experience it personally. Blast the idiots who are in charge (who also didn't have all the school shootings we have nowadays when they were in school, but whatever...) who could do shit to fix it, but don't care about children's safety if it interferes with lining their own pockets.
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Im not attacking you or anything, im just pondering what its like not to have this issue. I think you misunderstood my tone.
I definitely think there should be stricter gun rules and if a person is threatening to committ a violent act domeone should intervene
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My bad, I shouldn't have jumped to conclusions. I'm sorry.