Does anyone who has a religion think this?

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  • Atheists do not believe in a non-existant god; that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that atheists believe that there is no god. They insist that there is no god. Their version of god is a non-existant one. Just as a person who does not believe they own a cat's version of their cat (whether they actually own one or not) is not real. They believe they do not own a cat. Do they own a cat? Possibly, but they believe that they do not, whether or not they do own a cat. See, it's a world where god may or may not exist. It's not that if they don't believe in a god, the god doesn't exist. Same with the cat scenario, just because someone believes they don't own a cat does not mean they don't own a cat. Your analogy is flawed.

    In that case, then you're not a true atheist; you're an agnostic that leans heavily towards atheism. Atheism requires a complete disbelief in the concept of god. If you merely believe the possibility of a god to be unlikely, then that's not atheism; that's agnosticism.

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    • You're right about the differences between an atheist in the technical sense and an agnostic.

      You could say that I don't claim to know there isn't some god-fitting being out there in the same way that I haven't scoured the entire universe to verify that there isn't a flying spaghetti monster out there. That said, I'd bet my entire life and those of my family for a single dollar bill that there isn't a flying spaghetti monster because it's that ridiculous, and I'm not exactly broke. Having seen and understood what I have in astrophysics, the only thing that could possibly fit the idea of a god is an extraterrestrial that created this universe as either a simulation or a bubble universe from another universe, and even still it wouldn't be the creator of existence and would be devoid of anything supernatural.

      I do in fact claim to know for a fact that the gods of all heavily established religions do not exist via scientific evidence having refuted so many of the claims that come along with those gods and I also do claim that there's no god who created all of existence via the logic that they'd have to exist to do that. In other words, if you don't see an extraterrestrial intelligence having created this universe as a simulation or as a controlled bubble within a larger multiverse as being a god, then yes, I assert that I am 100% certain there is no god.

      That said, regardless of what I am, the topic at hand is those who definitely are atheists.

      "I'm saying that atheists believe that there is no god."

      You said it yourself there yet somehow assert that they believe in a type of god. Let's think of cryptozoology. That's the study of creatures that aren't scientifically confirmed to exist such as Big Foot, the Moth Man, etc. You're essentially seriously claiming that someone who asserts that they do not believe in any cryptozoological creature whatsoever actually does believe in a form of cryptozoological creature... by not believing in cryptozoological creatures. That makes absolutely no sense and doesn't make a bit more sense when substituting gods for cryptozoological creatures.

      "I'm saying that atheists believe that there is no god."

      Just leave it at that. That's correct.

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