The key word being traditional! I never disputed anything about the white dress being a sign of purity. My issue is that traditional does not mean correct!
My point about marital rape was not to get an emotional response but to show that traditionally, women in marriages were property of their husbands who can do whatever they like to their wives! Because that was the tradition is it right?
On a different note I seriously doubt you've had more people interested in you than I've had pursue me. Though your a relatively pretty little boy :) but you do go on a bit!
Actually, yes it does, because the tradition of it was the "original" and "correct" way of it.
The tradition of the whole ceremony is the same of what we have today, except without meaning due to nobody going by the traditional sense. They have a traditional ceremony, but not the respect for the tradition.
No, don't get in to this whole feminist mind set. Feeding in to such feminist garbage makes you close-minded, so you would do your best not to buy in to it.
No, marital rape was not the norm. Yes, it happened, but not nearly as much as feminism has tried to make it seem.
You also know that husbands were responsible for their wives once upon a time? If the wife done something wrong/criminal, the husband would be given some, or even most of the responsibility for not ensuring she doesn't do such things.
Then there is the whole thing where a man being abused by his wife would be laughed at and shamed.
That was not the tradition at all, that was what "some" done inside the tradition that the tradition does not support, that doesn't make it part of the "tradition" at all.
You may not think so, it is your right to believe what you wish, however that doesn't make you correct.
I do go on a bit? As in I talk the point a lot? This place is an area of debate and description. I talk the point adressed, which is the point of the site. Assuming that such topics come up in reality just as much is a bit off.
No you read my words but then make sweeping statements. I never said abuse was or is the norm I said that it was the norm for a women to become property of her husband.
You do speak some sense but in a quite long winded way!
You really believe that the actual ceremony is exactly the same? Tradition and stories change and develop as they are passed on. Even written traditions change through translation.
Very few people would be as closed minded as to laugh at a man who's been abused by a women but the victimised man may believe that would be the result.
I am in no way a feminist! I'm a realist.
That said, I do enjoy reading the opinions and replying to a person of intelligence :)
You implied it. You said, and I quote:
" traditionally, women in marriages were property of their husbands who can do whatever they like to their wives! Because that was the tradition is it right?"
That mixed with the point for that it was typed for, marital rape, shows that you were implying something.
Something about implied statements is that a lot of them are not always intentional.
Yes, the ceremony is the same, the default one, but most still have the iconic symbols of a wedding, the white dress, father giving daughter away (or any other male figure in the family), the walk down the isle, etc.
You would be surprised. A man was laughed and mocked on television by a group of women and the crowd of the show that were all women.
Not only this, but males make half of the victims in domestic violence and not even 5% of the domestic violence shelter are for men or allow men entry.
Do you think that everyone should get married?
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The key word being traditional! I never disputed anything about the white dress being a sign of purity. My issue is that traditional does not mean correct!
My point about marital rape was not to get an emotional response but to show that traditionally, women in marriages were property of their husbands who can do whatever they like to their wives! Because that was the tradition is it right?
On a different note I seriously doubt you've had more people interested in you than I've had pursue me. Though your a relatively pretty little boy :) but you do go on a bit!
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Actually, yes it does, because the tradition of it was the "original" and "correct" way of it.
The tradition of the whole ceremony is the same of what we have today, except without meaning due to nobody going by the traditional sense. They have a traditional ceremony, but not the respect for the tradition.
No, don't get in to this whole feminist mind set. Feeding in to such feminist garbage makes you close-minded, so you would do your best not to buy in to it.
No, marital rape was not the norm. Yes, it happened, but not nearly as much as feminism has tried to make it seem.
You also know that husbands were responsible for their wives once upon a time? If the wife done something wrong/criminal, the husband would be given some, or even most of the responsibility for not ensuring she doesn't do such things.
Then there is the whole thing where a man being abused by his wife would be laughed at and shamed.
That was not the tradition at all, that was what "some" done inside the tradition that the tradition does not support, that doesn't make it part of the "tradition" at all.
You may not think so, it is your right to believe what you wish, however that doesn't make you correct.
I do go on a bit? As in I talk the point a lot? This place is an area of debate and description. I talk the point adressed, which is the point of the site. Assuming that such topics come up in reality just as much is a bit off.
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No you read my words but then make sweeping statements. I never said abuse was or is the norm I said that it was the norm for a women to become property of her husband.
You do speak some sense but in a quite long winded way!
You really believe that the actual ceremony is exactly the same? Tradition and stories change and develop as they are passed on. Even written traditions change through translation.
Very few people would be as closed minded as to laugh at a man who's been abused by a women but the victimised man may believe that would be the result.
I am in no way a feminist! I'm a realist.
That said, I do enjoy reading the opinions and replying to a person of intelligence :)
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You implied it. You said, and I quote:
" traditionally, women in marriages were property of their husbands who can do whatever they like to their wives! Because that was the tradition is it right?"
That mixed with the point for that it was typed for, marital rape, shows that you were implying something.
Something about implied statements is that a lot of them are not always intentional.
Yes, the ceremony is the same, the default one, but most still have the iconic symbols of a wedding, the white dress, father giving daughter away (or any other male figure in the family), the walk down the isle, etc.
You would be surprised. A man was laughed and mocked on television by a group of women and the crowd of the show that were all women.
Not only this, but males make half of the victims in domestic violence and not even 5% of the domestic violence shelter are for men or allow men entry.