Infection, which can occur in cross-species sex. Social isolation, from humans who would be uncomfortable in the presence of the animal. Punishment, which is handed out to the animal in some cultures by humans and may include death. I'm sure I could think of more. The key feature is that these animals cannot comprehend these risks, and cannot consent any more than a severely mentally ill person or a child can.
There's also the lack of consequences: the fact that there will be no pregnancy. This biological drive is the reason most animals have sex, since they feel no pleasure from it and it has no social meaning for them. I don't think it's a stretch to say that many species can't comprehend sex without the association of pregnancy. You're kind of cheating an animal by having sex with it under terms which it can never understand. I think you can be pretty sure that if that animal could know and understand that the sex would not result in pregnancy, the biological urge would disappear and they wouldn't consent to the sex.
First: Cross species STD infection (zoonotic disease) is EXCEEDINGLY RARE! In fact, just to blow your uneducated mind, THAT is one major reason many zoophiles prefer animal partners.
Second: Animals don't have sex for pleasure or social reasons? That is one of the most ignorant comments on this subject I think I have ever heard someone say in seriousness. Would it also blow your ignorant mind to know that ALL female mammals have a clitoris? This is the only known mammalian organ which has only one function.....to cause pleasure when stimulated.
I appreciate your OPINION on this subject.....but next time if you feel the need to espouse that opinion, PLEASE do so using facts and not made up conjecture since you obviously do not spend much time around nor do you have the slightest inkling about what primal drives are a part of EVERY mammal.
Not bad! You've clearly put more thought into this than the average person.
>Infection
That's certainly the most obvious. I don't suppose you have any information on how big a risk that is. I would be inclined to guess it's lower than for intra-species sex, but I can't back that up.
>Social isolation
Eh, I guess. Doesn't seem like a big deal.
>Punishment
I never thought of that one. That would be a big concern for any zoophile living in such a culture.
>lack of consequences
This is a good point since many other arguments seemingly lead to the (silly) conclusion that we shouldn't let animals mate at all, but this one doesn't.
I have to dispute a couple of details though:
>they feel no pleasure from it
How can you possibly know that? It seems to me fulfilling a "biological urge" is almost synonymous with experiencing pleasure. It's pretty hard to imagine they don't get some sort of positive sensation out of it.
>it has no social meaning for them.
This isn't necessarily true. But it's also not necessarily a point for the zoophile team. For instance, dogs (one of the more likely animals for a human to have sex with) do sometimes mount eachother when they're not trying to procreate. Apparently they do it mainly to assert dominance
That weakens your claim that animals use sex solely as a means to reproduce. But on the other hand, if it means something different for them, there's a real possibility of a sex-based miscommunication
Your first paragraph was very strong, but I must refute your claim that animals do not feel pleasure during sex. Scientifically speaking, there is no understanding of whether or not other animals feel pleasure or not whilst mating. It has been assumed that most animals don't due to only a select few, including humans, arbitrarily seeking out sex. While most animals don't voluntarily seek out sex for the sake of pleasure, and instead follow hormonal cycles, it is unknown if the intercourse resulting from such cycles is pleasurable or not.
Did you read my reply to Dom180? If so, then you'd have read the part about ALL female mammals possessing a clitoris.....which is the only organ that has ONE function. SEXUAL PLEASURE! If a female animal was incapable of feeling pleasure during sex, then why do they have a clitoris? Pretty logical.....if you have a logical mind. As far as a male feeling pleasure? Well, since it takes an orgasm to ejaculate.....once again logic strikes (;->)
There is nothing magical or mystical about this nor does it take some sort of "experimental proof"....animals DO feel pleasure from sex and therefore can decide whether to engage in that behavior.
Do you think that animals can give consent?
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For the sake of argument, what consequences exactly should they be worried about?
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Infection, which can occur in cross-species sex. Social isolation, from humans who would be uncomfortable in the presence of the animal. Punishment, which is handed out to the animal in some cultures by humans and may include death. I'm sure I could think of more. The key feature is that these animals cannot comprehend these risks, and cannot consent any more than a severely mentally ill person or a child can.
There's also the lack of consequences: the fact that there will be no pregnancy. This biological drive is the reason most animals have sex, since they feel no pleasure from it and it has no social meaning for them. I don't think it's a stretch to say that many species can't comprehend sex without the association of pregnancy. You're kind of cheating an animal by having sex with it under terms which it can never understand. I think you can be pretty sure that if that animal could know and understand that the sex would not result in pregnancy, the biological urge would disappear and they wouldn't consent to the sex.
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First: Cross species STD infection (zoonotic disease) is EXCEEDINGLY RARE! In fact, just to blow your uneducated mind, THAT is one major reason many zoophiles prefer animal partners.
Second: Animals don't have sex for pleasure or social reasons? That is one of the most ignorant comments on this subject I think I have ever heard someone say in seriousness. Would it also blow your ignorant mind to know that ALL female mammals have a clitoris? This is the only known mammalian organ which has only one function.....to cause pleasure when stimulated.
I appreciate your OPINION on this subject.....but next time if you feel the need to espouse that opinion, PLEASE do so using facts and not made up conjecture since you obviously do not spend much time around nor do you have the slightest inkling about what primal drives are a part of EVERY mammal.
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they might be rare because there arent many zoophiles
Not bad! You've clearly put more thought into this than the average person.
>Infection
That's certainly the most obvious. I don't suppose you have any information on how big a risk that is. I would be inclined to guess it's lower than for intra-species sex, but I can't back that up.
>Social isolation
Eh, I guess. Doesn't seem like a big deal.
>Punishment
I never thought of that one. That would be a big concern for any zoophile living in such a culture.
>lack of consequences
This is a good point since many other arguments seemingly lead to the (silly) conclusion that we shouldn't let animals mate at all, but this one doesn't.
I have to dispute a couple of details though:
>they feel no pleasure from it
How can you possibly know that? It seems to me fulfilling a "biological urge" is almost synonymous with experiencing pleasure. It's pretty hard to imagine they don't get some sort of positive sensation out of it.
>it has no social meaning for them.
This isn't necessarily true. But it's also not necessarily a point for the zoophile team. For instance, dogs (one of the more likely animals for a human to have sex with) do sometimes mount eachother when they're not trying to procreate. Apparently they do it mainly to assert dominance
That weakens your claim that animals use sex solely as a means to reproduce. But on the other hand, if it means something different for them, there's a real possibility of a sex-based miscommunication
Your first paragraph was very strong, but I must refute your claim that animals do not feel pleasure during sex. Scientifically speaking, there is no understanding of whether or not other animals feel pleasure or not whilst mating. It has been assumed that most animals don't due to only a select few, including humans, arbitrarily seeking out sex. While most animals don't voluntarily seek out sex for the sake of pleasure, and instead follow hormonal cycles, it is unknown if the intercourse resulting from such cycles is pleasurable or not.
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Did you read my reply to Dom180? If so, then you'd have read the part about ALL female mammals possessing a clitoris.....which is the only organ that has ONE function. SEXUAL PLEASURE! If a female animal was incapable of feeling pleasure during sex, then why do they have a clitoris? Pretty logical.....if you have a logical mind. As far as a male feeling pleasure? Well, since it takes an orgasm to ejaculate.....once again logic strikes (;->)
There is nothing magical or mystical about this nor does it take some sort of "experimental proof"....animals DO feel pleasure from sex and therefore can decide whether to engage in that behavior.