That line of thinking is just plain ignorant. For one thing, lots of employers don't really care what your degree is in, just that you have one. For another, you typically need a bachelor's degree to get into law or medical school (among other advanced degree programs) and it really doesn't matter what your major was, it's suggested that you major in something that interests and stimulates you. Also, there's tons of careers that require creativity, writing, knowledge of history, and so on.
And don't you enjoy music, movies, tv? Is everything in your house strictly utilitarian and a drab gray color? Do you have any pictures on the wall? I suppose you live in a simple square thing with no archtectual details. Did the same guy who drew the plans build it too? Have you ever been to a museum? Do you appreciate the preservation of historic places? Do you realize that many inventions and concepts are thought up because of creative thinking and not so much the math/science side of it? Builders don't necessarily have the full capacity to design or create anything on their own just like artists don't always have the ability to engineer. It's a team effort much of the time.
I went to school for welding and worked at a small company for a while and you might be surprised at how much the engineers bungled stuff and us in the shop had to work with them to find solutions that worked. And half the shop couldn't do shit because they were not flexible and creative enough to do anything besides read a blueprint and knock out a part.
The situation with the engineers I think is typical to a degree in all industries, once in a while an engineer drafts something up that works on paper but not in practice. It happens when someone only know the design side but has little or no experience in fabrication.
Hey, guess what? I love to drink Wild Turkey straight in a glass! What do ya think about that?
Of course we looked the prints over! We had to sign off on them. We 'owned' our particular jobs. I think it's pretty unreasonable to expect a drafter to be a builder too though. That's just not realistic.
And don't generalize. The degree isn't usually the problem.
I didn't do any stick welding outside of learning it in school, my job was mostly mig aluminum and some steel. My school didn't spend much time on mig, especially aluminum, so I learned on the job...didn't learn much about fabrication in school either but I picked it up fast. I was willing to work hard and listened well so most of the guys there were happy to mentor me for a bit.
Do you think people are better off with a college degree?
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That line of thinking is just plain ignorant. For one thing, lots of employers don't really care what your degree is in, just that you have one. For another, you typically need a bachelor's degree to get into law or medical school (among other advanced degree programs) and it really doesn't matter what your major was, it's suggested that you major in something that interests and stimulates you. Also, there's tons of careers that require creativity, writing, knowledge of history, and so on.
And don't you enjoy music, movies, tv? Is everything in your house strictly utilitarian and a drab gray color? Do you have any pictures on the wall? I suppose you live in a simple square thing with no archtectual details. Did the same guy who drew the plans build it too? Have you ever been to a museum? Do you appreciate the preservation of historic places? Do you realize that many inventions and concepts are thought up because of creative thinking and not so much the math/science side of it? Builders don't necessarily have the full capacity to design or create anything on their own just like artists don't always have the ability to engineer. It's a team effort much of the time.
I went to school for welding and worked at a small company for a while and you might be surprised at how much the engineers bungled stuff and us in the shop had to work with them to find solutions that worked. And half the shop couldn't do shit because they were not flexible and creative enough to do anything besides read a blueprint and knock out a part.
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well a general english or history major aint bullshit if one uses it to go postgrad or git a job i understands and i knows they has theys place
what im discussin is peoples what git ridiculous degrees without ant thought of how to use em
incompetence is everywhere and stem grads aint no exception
sounds as if yalls situation werent so much with bad engineers as with bad management
a pro welder? the more i hears the more i likes!
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Well...how do you know what their plan is?
The situation with the engineers I think is typical to a degree in all industries, once in a while an engineer drafts something up that works on paper but not in practice. It happens when someone only know the design side but has little or no experience in fabrication.
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oh look at mrs fancypants usin a glass
i wouldnt trust an engineer what couldnt turn a wrench or two and a good management shouldnt neither
a well run shop should at least have the trades foremen look over the designs before they goes into production
as for the peoples gittin bullshit degrees i thinks the problems that they dont and never had a plan in the first place
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Of course we looked the prints over! We had to sign off on them. We 'owned' our particular jobs. I think it's pretty unreasonable to expect a drafter to be a builder too though. That's just not realistic.
And don't generalize. The degree isn't usually the problem.
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but if i didnt have generalizations id be lost what with bein such a retarded genius and all
mebbe its just brain damage from breathin the smoke from them tensa thousandsa 6010s and 7018s
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I didn't do any stick welding outside of learning it in school, my job was mostly mig aluminum and some steel. My school didn't spend much time on mig, especially aluminum, so I learned on the job...didn't learn much about fabrication in school either but I picked it up fast. I was willing to work hard and listened well so most of the guys there were happy to mentor me for a bit.