Do you think china should be held accountable for the pandemic?

Personally, I think yes. It's China's fault that all of this happened, and 4 million people have died because of their irresponsibility.

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  • Tinybird

    As long as only the government is punished and not the people. Innocent people should never pay for what their government does.

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  • olderdude-xx

    Do you think the USA should be held responsible for the 1918 flu? It killed far more people.

    Do you think the USA should be responsible for smoking... as tobacco originated from the USA?

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    • LloydAsher

      That doesnt work for chinas hand in the Corona virus as it was the Wuhan lab that INVENTED covid. If covid naturally existed, you cant pass blame to the origin country. That being said china has taken zero steps to allow a 3rd party investigation of the Wuhan lab. Leading to the conclusion that china had something to do with it.

      But since china said that if they get investigated for covid they need to get more nukes. Which doesnt exactly instill confidence in me at they didnt have a hand for the creation of covid.

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      • olderdude-xx

        There is no evidence at all that this is a manufactured virus (genetic splicing to manufacture something like this leaves very telltale signs - and about 20 countries in the world have tested it and announced that it is not man made - its a natural virus).

        The Wuhan Lab was only studying the virus - which most likely originated in the area.

        The USA and Several of the European counties have also had viruses leak from their labs in the past few decades. None of which were as contagious as Covid-19

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        • YE

          But clearly they should take the blame for 'failing' to contain the spread of the virus when it was still within their country. What could have been possibly hard about that?

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          • olderdude-xx

            I believe that you don't understand how difficult it is to contain a virus that is highly contagious. It may have already been in the public when the lab got it (we do not know if the lab got it from a sick person who reported to a local medical clinic; but, that is likely).

            Do you expect China just to execute everyone in the area (100 % including children), and then execute the executors and the health care people who were trying to care for them? That's the only way China could have stopped this virus.

            With worldwide support and every country having ample supplies of vaccine with 90+% of population support - it took over 20 years to eradicate Smallpox.

            The 1st polio vaccine came out in 1950, and the Salk vaccine in 1955...

            We are now 70 years after the 1st vaccine and there are still a few countries in the world that have not eradicated Polio.

            As I mentioned above: Containing a vaccine in a laboratory is very hard - and all countries with labs that research viruses and infectious diseases have had viruses and diseases escape their labs.

            Fortunately, very few of them are highly contagious with serious health effects like Covid-19.

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            • YE

              See, China could've closed all its borders and collaborated with other governments on sharing info, tracking and isolating people who could've travelled out of the country prior to the borders closing. But I guess most people's egos and greed nowadays can't be counted on in making life saving and livelihood improvement choices for humanity as a whole.. you know.

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      • S0UNDS_WEIRD

        I've already explained how this is so impossible there are only two options: You accept it or can't understand my words.

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    • LornaMae

      Yup! Just like China should also be responsible for Americans' obesity
      from excessive ice cream eating and for all of the fallen Americans in stupid accidents on 4th of July fireworks funky set-ups. Lol

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  • RoseIsabella

    Wet markets should be outlawed!

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    • LloydAsher

      They smell terrible.

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    • idolomantis

      That's a good point, covid 19 was born in a pretty gross way huh? yuck

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  • 1WeirdGuy

    I think we should transition away from trading with China but it wont happen. Too much money wrapped up.

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  • Meatballsandwich

    Nuke those motherfuckers, I say.

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  • CountessDouche

    I'm of two minds. I do think the Chinese government suppressed information during the beginning of the pandemic, and I also believe they lied about its containment. I wanna say there should be consequences for that. Australia was actually the country to open sanctions...but honestly....

    Once a disease of this nature spreads beyond the point of contact tracing, it's really inevitable that it will spread. Although I do believe China holds some culpability, if we're gonna go there, then America should be sanctioned for mishandling the pandemic. Our country is absolutely responsible for spreading it everywhere by politicizing the issue and ignoring it and denying it. In fact, there's still bunches of us that refuse to take it seriously in spite of all the evidence.

    I know ima get downvoted, and all the conservatives on here are going to claim that it was dealt with appropriately in the initial stages because Trump, against claims of racism, instituted a travel ban against China. That was really a cosmetic fix, as most of our initial cases were from the European strain and he only instituted a travel ban against China, importantly & way too late. Nothing was done about stemming the flow from other countries, despite knowledge that it had already spread. The fact that there was, and still is, a vehement sense of denial regarding the pandemic is due to the administration politicizing it. That's why it exploded here, end of story. And our country spread it elsewhere. No one is gonna claim we should be held responsible.

    There are droves of people here, many on this site, still refusing vaccination. Those people are putting other vulnerable people who can not get vaccinated due to health concerns or allergies at serious risk. They are also prolonging the possibility of the very lockdowns that they are so vehemently against. The truth is, people here are selfish and refuse to do anything to stop the problems that they come on here to bitch about.

    It's insane. They want everyone else to be responsible, but refuse to have any part in making this go away. They refuse to do a single fucking goddamn thing to help anyone. And then they want to blame China.

    So if you ask them about why they haven't done their part, the answer is that this is and never was a big deal. That it doesn't matter.

    If you ask them if we should condemn the Chinese? Well, suddenly they give a fuck. This is a huge deal. Look at everyone who died (all those people that they wouldn't even inconvenience themselves to protect)...now we suddenly care, cause it gives us an excuse to hate Chinese people.

    Pick one, motherfuckers. Choose one. Either you fucking care or you don't. If you gave a shit, you'd have worn a mask, you'd vax so you don't kill anyone else. Otherwise SHUT THE FUCK UP. I hope someone sanctions your selfish asses. If you want to go pointing fingers, then stop contributing to the problem.

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    • wigz

      Yes! "If you gave a shit, you'd have worn a mask, you'd vax so you don't kill anyone else. Otherwise SHUT THE FUCK UP." It's always the same people who want to blame, but also call it fake. Praise Trump for the vaccine but not take it because it'll kill you!. Pick one...

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    • Boojum

      I wouldn't suggest for a moment that the political right has a monopoly on logical inconsistency, but the Trumpists do have a rare talent for it.

      People refuse to wear masks because "Freedom!", then harass those who exercise their freedom to wear a mask if they choose to do so.

      The virus is a hoax, but it's also a biological weapon that was developed and deliberately released by the fiendish Chinese.

      Trump always tells the truth, but he was lying when he said he had the vaccine.

      That's not even to mention the really fruitcake stuff, like we all already had the virus from previous vaccinations or exposure or government bio-weapon experiments or whatever, and masks only activate it.

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      • CountessDouche

        The rejection of science and logic is not just a conservative American problem. That's just a stepping stone. It's kinda...spreading

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        • dude_Jones

          Ooooo. Your closing observation has an ominous ring to it. I see tremendous possibilities you are raising for the continuation of irrational dumbass trash arguments from people that I'm hoping get autodarwinated.

          Seriously, I am hoping computer simulations find patterns to the kind of variant mutations that are developing. This will help vax designers get the jump on synthesis of mRNA molecules that will be needed for booster vaxxing next year. If your IQ is 150 or better, playing this human vs microbe game couldn't be a more interesting and time critical endeavor.

          Dont forget, the real enemy is 100 nanometers in diameter. The people about whom you are bitching are actually comic relief. I say bury them in their graves with their firearms. Lol. Then, they can exercise gun freedom when they get to combat heaven.

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  • PurpleHoneycomb

    The Chinese government (specifically the government) should be held accountable for a lot of things. Unfortunately, they control a lot of industries that bring in loads of money for countries. World governments like keeping China happy.

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  • have_a_good_day

    Nuke da mothafuckas! Nigga, if China was in da hood right now we'd bust a cap in they asses.
    Fahreal.
    That's what's up

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  • SudoHalt

    There isn't even proof it started out of there. Just footage of the wild animals in the wet market, none of which were directly connected to Covid-19. Considering that China was the first to come up with testing kits for Covid-19, and the numbers outside were massively higher as they realized they also got Covid-19, the source will be a mystery forever.

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  • idolomantis

    I don't really keep up with politics and stuff as often as I probably should tbh, but what's the point? What's done is done, doesn't matter who's at fault, let's move on. Honestly though, Covid 19 is just a virus that happened to mutate in a pretty fucked up way. Who could've guessed that would happen? No person or country is omniscient.

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  • Somenormie

    I don't believe China should be bashed for that reason as a whole.

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    • LloydAsher

      Oh yeah china deserves to be bashed for its use of slavery, cultural genocide, and suppression of base human rights.

      All of which makes me feel like war with them is the objectively good thing to do. Much akin to fighting the nazis.

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  • JellyBeanBandit

    I think they should be forced to take steps to ensure it doesn't happen again.

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    • YE

      I don't think their government is remorseful to begin with.

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    • LloydAsher

      If that means going to war with china then yes.

      What else can you do when a goverment is at the least neglective of hazardous biological viruses? Or worse intentionally releasing the virus?

      If a country doesnt have a bio research lab in the middle of fuck nowhere or have only the highest standards in control they should never be allowed to play with viruses.

      I dont care if the original point of covid was to try to reverse engineer a potential naturally occurring virus. It got out and killed 4 million people. You cant slap an oopsie label and be done with it.

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      • YE

        And then they have these rockets they send into space which later hurtle back towards earth, their debris worryingly crashing on the Earth's surface, risking potential casualties.

        We were only lucky that their latest one's debris crashed into the Indian Ocean... very terrible fellas there.

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        • Boojum

          China is pretty cavalier about the uncontrolled re-entry of stuff they put in space, but quite a few things put up by NASA have also come out of orbit and crashed just wherever they happened to land.

          The one thing China has done in space that's completely idiotic and unforgivable was their anti-satellite missile test in 2007. That created literally thousands of pieces of junk, some of which will remain in orbit for decades or even centuries. By 2007, the risks posed by space junk were very well understood, but they needed to show off their space prowess and military abilities, so they went ahead and did it anyway

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          • YE

            Well, NASA can be blamed for 'side effects' of visionary space experimentation, but China, sheer irresponsibility in proving a vain point.

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      • CountessDouche

        There's proof that they did not intentionally release shit. Please read...something...anything...before you just SAY shit jfc

        Cc Sounds weird (fact checked)

        An earlier incarnation of SARS-CoV-2 appears to have specialized in targeting the order Chiroptera, bats; the overall molecular structure of SARS-CoV-2 is distinct from the other known coronaviruses in that it strongly resembles a class of Chiroptera-hosted viruses that are, pivotally, innocuous regarding humans.

        The virus then infected an intermediate animal, probably a pangolin, wherein said virus developed its unique receptor-binding domain; pangolins have been found to host similarly mutated coronaviruses endowed with this feature. The aforementioned receptor-binding domain is the spike protein that protrudes from the surface of the virus.

        _This_ incarnation of the virus then entered the human body wherein it underwent its most recent mutation or series thereof; the receptor-binding domain now attaches to a receptor on human respiratory cells called ACE2 (angiotensin-converting enzyme 2) in such a _lock-and-key_ manner that it's evidently and demonstrably beyond the scope of even state of the art genetic engineering and has _only_ been seen as a result of natural selection.

        From _here_ we compared SARS-CoV-2 with the similar SARS-CoV to spot the specific genetic variations and discovered something rather peculiar and _equally_ pivotal to my conclusions: Even if someone magically had a hunch as to which letters to change, which they _wouldn't_ have, the changes don't work in simulation software the way they do in reality. I repeat, by some chance, THEY DON'T WORK. The very state of the art produces erroneous results. The results erroneously indicate it WOULDN'T be very effective. The SARS-CoV-2 concept would have been scrapped early on.

        As sufficiently articulating to the general population that this is all but an incontrovertibility in the eyes of experts is all but inexecutable, conspiracy theorists will inevitably continue. Unfortunately, without some prior knowledge of a few of the aforementioned areas people can't see the virus being man-made is not just unlikely but a virtual impossibility. The best I can do is assure that one would never have started with an innocuous base either way; doing so is analogous to attempting to create a level surface using a waterbed as a starting point. It's a nonsensical base to begin with if one _wanted_ to create a virus like this. SARS-CoV-2 is natural selection's bandage-like attempt at a human-hosted virus (which was already previously bandaged) in every respect versus an intelligently designed virus with a specific purpose in mind.

        Humans have and will create worse. This is just nature. I hope this settles things, and if it doesn't, you and I both know you didn't understand a word I just said. Please just listen to scientists.

        If you need your car fixed and aren't mechanically inclined, do you trust a mechanic or a conspiracy theorist?

        Cc me: shut the extra fuck up. At least read before you start typing.

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  • litelander8

    The facility in Wuhan that was experimenting on COVID-19 was American….

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    • LloydAsher

      In china...

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      • wigz

        "Came from a lab" =/= invented and released from a lab maliciously

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        • LloydAsher

          Yeah but you cnt exactly give a ton of leeway to a country that does this (unsafe genetic research) constantly and the scientific community has raised these exact concerns in the past about it.

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