They can do good for women, and I am not saying they can't "do" good, I just think the ratio of good and bad is not beneficial.
I don't agree with this whole "rape culture" thing. Yes, there are some that would comply with what is within the rape culture, but the same can be said about any asshole out there of any negative trait, the point being the vast majority do not comply, so giving the impression that even half of them do is just wrong and causes harm.
As for the victim blaming, I am iffy on this aswell. A lot of feminists see victim blaming as giving criticism to things that led up to the rape, even when they are not saying the woman deserved it, just that she shouldn't of been so stupid to put herself in that position that lead up to the rape, if that makes sense.
Kind of like if someone leaves their expensive car window down, car unlocked, with the keys in. If the car is stolen, they aren't going to excuse the thief or think it is acceptable in any circumstances, it does mean that they are going to call them stupid for keeping the keys in the car with the window down and the door unlock.
I believe that just like the car example, this can be applied to all crimes, including rape. If a place is a bad area, and you are walking down this place known for its bad reputation, without a way to defend yourself, and alone, then you are being stupid for doing so and should of thought before taking such a route, as it could of prevented the rape, or any other crime in that area, be it murder or assault. That doesn't mean that we are blaming the victim. I hope that made sense.
As for the clothes wearing part, I have never actually heard this be said in mainstream and only ever heard it about twice in my whole life time from randomers on the net, one of which was a woman.
I am not saying it isn't wrong, I just don't believe it happens as much as feminists try to portray it happening, especially on mainstream media, or any media for that matter.
I am in support of rape victims getting justice, however I think that the vast majority of female sex offenders get let off. Seen the amount of female sex offenders that have had sexual relations with underage boys that have come out lately? So many of them have gotten what so many call the "Pussy pass", and yet feminists do nothing about it, some even trying to portray her as the victim.
The whole rape area is iffy, but here is something I read lately that is quite insightful that I think you would like to read:
http://www.theforensicexaminer.com/archive/spring09/15/
It states that in some areas, nearly half of rape allegations are false.
This leads me on to another point against feminism. They make posters about saying rape is wrong, making a picture saying things like "Just because you help her home does not mean you can help yourself. Don't be that guy", where as men's rights activists posted pictures of the exact same format saying "Just because you regret consensual sex does not make it rape. Don't be that girl".
The reaction to the same tactics feminists used against rape? They claimed it was sexist, tore them down, and so on. Once again, showing their double standards, as if to say they can tell guys not to rape (which obviously there is nothing wrong with), yet telling women not to falsely accuse a man of rape which can destroy his whole life, is sexism against women.
Again, doing good for women, yet doing the same to women for a crime women make the majority of perpetrators in, is wrong...
Honestly, I was the same as you, however I see too many feminists use this as a way to cover their real feelings. I have seen this happen too much during my neutral time viewing feminism. They would claim they don't hate men, yet they would go against any ideas of equality to help men out that doesn't benefit women in some way, even if it just means making men on the same level as females, unless they also get benefit, they don't support it.
Same goes with the ones that protested against the boys and men speech. One of them on camera was saying "FEMINISM DOESN'T HATE MEN!"...And yet cheered (you seen them in the video later on) after protesting against the speech for boys and men and when the fire alarm went off to silence freedom of speech they didn't like.
Point being, all feminists use that line, that they don't hate men, however they contradict themselves with their actions. I don't know if they "hate" men, or if they are just so concerned with women that they don't care if men get a negative effect due to them, however the outcome is the same.
I've seen one to three feminists that actually don't man hate, and if they were the types the movement was primarily populated with, I would be up alongside them, but they aren't.
A good way to see if these ones that claim not to hate men is to open up suggestions such as the ones I have stated. "Why don't we stop with the trivial things women face and go help the problems men face now that are larger problems? Once we have solved the big problems of the genders and inequality on both sides, then we can go back to the trivial things", or propose the idea of financial abortion for men in a manner that takes no choice away from women's bodies, or that men can still get drafted, and that if feminism is about equality, why not tackle those things men have to face before the trivial things females face?
Do that or something along those lines, and you'll notice a change in the "I don't hate men" stance. That's primarily why I ended up becoming an anti-feminist.
Yes, and I believe that is what egalitarian is, fixing the problems of both sides, not just one which feminists look at it. That stance is recognizing the things women really go through and the things men really go through, it's not abandoning anything in the idea to help women, either.
In a lot of ways, men also face not being seen as equal to the opposite gender. I mean, look at the draft. We are willing to sacrifice mens lives as cannon fodder, yet not female life? Which implies men are disposable, their lives aren't as a woman's.
You make valid points, but like I said, if that's the kind of feminism that exists, then that's not what I support. Call me an egalitarian, but if I hear a woman who makes valid points about how both genders can be equal and she calls herself a feminists, then you can call me one to. However, if she calls herself a feminists and wants to man hate then I'll just avoid her and I don't want to be associated with her.
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They can do good for women, and I am not saying they can't "do" good, I just think the ratio of good and bad is not beneficial.
I don't agree with this whole "rape culture" thing. Yes, there are some that would comply with what is within the rape culture, but the same can be said about any asshole out there of any negative trait, the point being the vast majority do not comply, so giving the impression that even half of them do is just wrong and causes harm.
As for the victim blaming, I am iffy on this aswell. A lot of feminists see victim blaming as giving criticism to things that led up to the rape, even when they are not saying the woman deserved it, just that she shouldn't of been so stupid to put herself in that position that lead up to the rape, if that makes sense.
Kind of like if someone leaves their expensive car window down, car unlocked, with the keys in. If the car is stolen, they aren't going to excuse the thief or think it is acceptable in any circumstances, it does mean that they are going to call them stupid for keeping the keys in the car with the window down and the door unlock.
I believe that just like the car example, this can be applied to all crimes, including rape. If a place is a bad area, and you are walking down this place known for its bad reputation, without a way to defend yourself, and alone, then you are being stupid for doing so and should of thought before taking such a route, as it could of prevented the rape, or any other crime in that area, be it murder or assault. That doesn't mean that we are blaming the victim. I hope that made sense.
As for the clothes wearing part, I have never actually heard this be said in mainstream and only ever heard it about twice in my whole life time from randomers on the net, one of which was a woman.
I am not saying it isn't wrong, I just don't believe it happens as much as feminists try to portray it happening, especially on mainstream media, or any media for that matter.
I am in support of rape victims getting justice, however I think that the vast majority of female sex offenders get let off. Seen the amount of female sex offenders that have had sexual relations with underage boys that have come out lately? So many of them have gotten what so many call the "Pussy pass", and yet feminists do nothing about it, some even trying to portray her as the victim.
The whole rape area is iffy, but here is something I read lately that is quite insightful that I think you would like to read:
http://www.theforensicexaminer.com/archive/spring09/15/
It states that in some areas, nearly half of rape allegations are false.
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This leads me on to another point against feminism. They make posters about saying rape is wrong, making a picture saying things like "Just because you help her home does not mean you can help yourself. Don't be that guy", where as men's rights activists posted pictures of the exact same format saying "Just because you regret consensual sex does not make it rape. Don't be that girl".
The reaction to the same tactics feminists used against rape? They claimed it was sexist, tore them down, and so on. Once again, showing their double standards, as if to say they can tell guys not to rape (which obviously there is nothing wrong with), yet telling women not to falsely accuse a man of rape which can destroy his whole life, is sexism against women.
Again, doing good for women, yet doing the same to women for a crime women make the majority of perpetrators in, is wrong...
Honestly, I was the same as you, however I see too many feminists use this as a way to cover their real feelings. I have seen this happen too much during my neutral time viewing feminism. They would claim they don't hate men, yet they would go against any ideas of equality to help men out that doesn't benefit women in some way, even if it just means making men on the same level as females, unless they also get benefit, they don't support it.
Same goes with the ones that protested against the boys and men speech. One of them on camera was saying "FEMINISM DOESN'T HATE MEN!"...And yet cheered (you seen them in the video later on) after protesting against the speech for boys and men and when the fire alarm went off to silence freedom of speech they didn't like.
Point being, all feminists use that line, that they don't hate men, however they contradict themselves with their actions. I don't know if they "hate" men, or if they are just so concerned with women that they don't care if men get a negative effect due to them, however the outcome is the same.
I've seen one to three feminists that actually don't man hate, and if they were the types the movement was primarily populated with, I would be up alongside them, but they aren't.
A good way to see if these ones that claim not to hate men is to open up suggestions such as the ones I have stated. "Why don't we stop with the trivial things women face and go help the problems men face now that are larger problems? Once we have solved the big problems of the genders and inequality on both sides, then we can go back to the trivial things", or propose the idea of financial abortion for men in a manner that takes no choice away from women's bodies, or that men can still get drafted, and that if feminism is about equality, why not tackle those things men have to face before the trivial things females face?
Do that or something along those lines, and you'll notice a change in the "I don't hate men" stance. That's primarily why I ended up becoming an anti-feminist.
Yes, and I believe that is what egalitarian is, fixing the problems of both sides, not just one which feminists look at it. That stance is recognizing the things women really go through and the things men really go through, it's not abandoning anything in the idea to help women, either.
In a lot of ways, men also face not being seen as equal to the opposite gender. I mean, look at the draft. We are willing to sacrifice mens lives as cannon fodder, yet not female life? Which implies men are disposable, their lives aren't as a woman's.
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You make valid points, but like I said, if that's the kind of feminism that exists, then that's not what I support. Call me an egalitarian, but if I hear a woman who makes valid points about how both genders can be equal and she calls herself a feminists, then you can call me one to. However, if she calls herself a feminists and wants to man hate then I'll just avoid her and I don't want to be associated with her.