Do you suppport feminism?
| Yes (I'm female) | 29 | |
| No (I'm female) | 17 | |
| Yes (I'm male) | 18 | |
| No (I'm male) | 49 |
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SkullsNRoses
I support femenists who want equality, not "femenazis" who want double standards.
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SangoNyappy
Yes. But not the fake "feminism" that some people think about - men haters and shit like that. That's not feminism that's just being an asshole.
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StarTeddy
Like SuperBenzid, I believe in gender equality and not in any type of movement that attempts to achieve equality by only looking at the problems of one side. That means I reject both feminism and masculinism as flawed models to achieve equality.
That doesn't mean I'll throw the baby out with the bathwater though--I applaud feminists who are helping people and trying to make things more equal for everyone, just as much as I'll condemn radical feminists who are simply fighting for more rights no matter what. (As well as I appreciate efforts to correct injustices against men and condemn MRAs who simply want women to "stay in their place".)
In this day and age being male and being female have their distinct sets of perks and disadvantages--the belief that one side has all the disadvantages and that the other one lives a perfect, privileged life is disingenuous and plainly false.
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Queen^of^Spades
You. I like you. I'm tired of women being made to think that they're weak, and need "protection" from all the nasty predators out there. Also the ridiculous trend of dressing conservatively- hell, if i want to wear make-up and stilettos, i will. It's insulting to be told that you're vulnerable just because of your gender when you can SING them anytime.
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MacG
I like a feminist who is secure enough in who she is to be happy being barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen. Seriously. If that's what she wants in life, and can do it without feeling like she should be doing something else due to societal pressures, then she's one cool woman.
Also, I'm all for a woman being a CEO, a doctor, a politician, or a firefighter if she's got the physical strength for it. Actually, scratch the politician idea, they're just horrible people.Comment Hidden ( show ) -
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Anime7
Yes, although as a guy I have reservations about saying I am a feminist and support equality between the genders because people usually think I'm doing it so I could get into girls pants. I'm not, I just see a lot of social situations and have been in many where a person was being treated badly because of his/her gender. For example I'm insecure about my body, but I feel as if that's an odd thing to say because I'm a guy, whereas if a girl were to say that, well that's normal. If I go out and have a ton of sex (you know because I have a sex drive) I'm praised, but if a woman does the same (you know because girls also want to have sex to) they're shamed for it. I mainly focus on the social aspects of living in a society where the genders aren't equal. I believe woman should be equal in the workplace to, but my main focus is in social equality.
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GoraIntoDesiGals
Actually in the modern world a woman who wants to have multiple partners is praised as liberated but a man is just a dirty pig who thinks with his penis.
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Anime7
I feel that like I've seen that whole liberation thing before, I mean like in the 1900s. The thing is though that for the most part, people still view being a slut as a bad thing. I just want it all to be equal, let's not just not care about how many partners a person has been with.
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GoraIntoDesiGals
The way I see it is that a key that opens many locks is a good key (master key) but a lock that gets opened by all keys is a poor lock (insecure)
Another is that if I drink from many glasses my lips won't be dirty but if a glass is shared by several people then it's dirty.
It's the male who "injects" some fluid into a female's receptacle so another male can be repulsed by that but if a male dipped his stick in a hole then another hole it's not so dirty. Fewer men are bi-sexual also whereas comparatively lots of females are so the thought of sucking a penis that's already been in another girl's vagina might even arouse some. (Some bisexual males actually like to be cuckolded too for similar reasons)
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derenaro
Oh yeah, well a pencil sharpener that can sharpen many pencils is a great pencil sharpener, but a pencil sharpened too much gets thrown away. We can make analogies about genitals all fucking day but we aren't locks, keys, glasses, staplers or any of those inanimate objects, we are humans with complex sexual interactions who deserve to be treated as such.
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Anime7
I get where you're coming from, but as long as feminists are there to support equality and not there to topple another gender then I'll be a feminist. But like I said I mainly just want equality.
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[Old Memory]
I'm iffy on your reasons for this.
The part about being treated badly about "his/her". I haven't seen feminism do anything specifically to help men along side women in this aspect.
I don't think the fact that you feel odd saying such a thing isn't exactly a societal problem, more so a personal one. Many men do the same thing and ask on public forums, you could try it yourself to figure out any questions you have on the issue.
The sex part is iffy for me. Being someone that was around a lot of guys and girls growing up due to moving around so much, I don't see this happening, and even then it makes sense.
When a woman has sex with a lot of guys, the only people I have seen shame her for it are other women, not guys.
Despite this, it all lies within the different standards men and women have put for themselves in this aspect.For a guy to have sex with a lot of people, he has to be something of worth, something more than simply have a penis, and so he is praised because he had to work to achieve something that makes him having sex a lot capable.
Women, on the otherhand, don't need to do such things, men will accept sex just for the reason of sex, not the person (except in cases such as age and obesity). She doesn't have to work to achieve sex, and so it is easier.
Look at it this way, if a race starts with someone half way at the finish line and the other at the start and have a certain time period to get to the finish line, who should be praised for it, the person doing more to get there or the one only doing half?
Women have this standard where you have to be something (doesn't just mean financially, calm down) before giving him sex, and so when a female goes out of the norm and just randomly has sex with people without knowing the people, she has stepped out of that standard.
Men didn't have such a standard, and if women took after their standard, nobody would complain. Men had the standard of, if you want sex and I want sex, and there is no reason why I would not want to have sex with you due to negatives you done to me, then we can go at it.
This can be explained why if a man says he doesn't want to have sex with someone until he finds someone that is "something", then he would also be shamed, as he is stepping out of that norm.
In a lot of areas, women are not equal in the workforce, in their favor. Law enforcement, military, fire department, and so on. The tests for them are on a lower standard than that of a man, and yet if anything, feminists support this.
What Gora said is also quite true. To a lot of women that have multiple partners or act in a sexualized way, she is "sexually liberating", but when a man is the same, he is a pig.
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[Old Memory]
As expected, no rebuttals, just use of the thumb feature.
Why is it that when this topic comes up, this tends to be the case? It's as if you don't have a way to show it wrong, rather than then think "well maybe it's right", your feminist mentality kicks in and thinks "well I will contribute to making it seem wrong without actually proving it wrong".
If you think I am wrong, please show me. If not, using the thumb feature is just cowardly.
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Anime7
I literally just got home, so that's why I didn't reply so quickly. Also I wasn't the one that thumbed you down. I actually thumbed you back up because you make valid points.
Honestly I just want equality between the genders, that's why I say I'm a feminist/ egalitarian. Men have pretty much just brought woman down, we haven't risen up. I want woman to rise up to a point of equality. You make valid points, but from what I've read and seen of feminism all they want is to not have to worry about being who they are and that's what I support, I'm sure plenty of people would support that as well.
I have seen some feminist get carried away and want to completely dominate the world and become better than men and those are the kinds of people that I disagree with and don't want to be associated with.
When it comes to woman and having sex, I know that it is easier, that perhaps they didn't have to work as hard for it. I'm a bit iffy in explaining it a bit because I agree with you in that they don't have to work too hard, but I've also heard that it's not as easy as it looks. But again, while I agree with you in that regard, I was just don't want to anyone to be shamed for liking sex.
Also, to reiterate, I'm not the one who thumbed you down, you make valid points. Honestly I just want everyone to be treated equality, if woman are going to shame a guy for having loads of sex then they're in the wrong as well and I don't support that. But from what I've seen of feminism it is mostly about equality, and that's what I want.
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[Old Memory]
I wasn't speaking specifically to you, just to those that use the thumb feature with no intentions of responding or have a way of responding, so don't think this is aimed at you, as from what I see you do respond when you see something is wrong, so.
I want equality between the genders, too. Feminism isn't the way for it, though. New forming groups such as "Humanism" or "egalitarian", or so on seem more appropriate to dub ones self, as feminism has been taken over by people with an agenda that is not about equality.
If that is all you have seen from feminism, then perhaps that is why you do not see my point of view. Look up many protests from feminists when people like MRA form speeches to help boys understand the issues they face in society. These speeches to "help" young boys and men got attacked by feminists, screaming and calling people "scum", "pigs", and so on just for wanting to see a speech on what men and boys face in society.
They tried to stay infront of the doors to prevent people from their human rights to see the speech, and they flicked the alarm to try prevent the speech to prevent freedom of speech because it did not comply with what they want to hear.Another case is when they tore down male victim awareness posters that even stated on them that hating blacks, homosexuals, and women are wrong, but was torn down by feminists because they were primarily to bring attention to male victims, in which male victims tend to be sweeped under the rug.
The way you will see why feminism is looked down upon is by looking at these types of things.
I don't think you understand that feminism has pretty much been taken over by those types of feminists you don't want to be associated with, they are the ones that make feminist theories that others adopt.
I agree, I don't want anyone being shamed for wanting sex, either, however you can't go by a certain standard while expecting a different standard's outcome. Like I said, it isn't men that tend to belittle women for it, it's other women.
This wasn't aimed at you, sorry if it seemed that way. It is why I responded to myself rather than replied to you. Apologies for the mix up.
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Anime7
But I've seen examples where feminism can be good. I mean it's mainly within rape culture. Plenty of women stood in front of washington and demanded that they stop victim blaming. One of the main ideas that they despise is that whenever a woman gets raped, the media always has to ask "what was she wearing." That's pretty much the main idea that I believe feminist dislike, when your outfit pretty much determines how much sympathy you get. And even then if you dressed non-scantily you'd probably still get no sympathy. When it comes to stuff like that, woman wanting justice, then I can support that. Same with men and children who are victims to.
I see where you're coming from and I have observed some man hating, but I've also seen feminist who just want justice and don't man hate. Again, I just want equality. I guess I am an egalitarian, but I'd like to believe I at least have some understanding of the plights woman go through. So I want to at least support gender equality and part of that would mean helping woman be viewed as equal to men in some regard, same vice versa.
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derenaro
So you're gonna say that because men will accept almost ANY sex, women are disgusting if they do the same? Where's the sense? And if men have to be more than a penis, is that to say that woman need not require more than a vagina to be desirable? Maybe the problem here is that men and women need to be recognized for the opposite assets and everyone will be happy. If men want to be the sex object, let them. If women want to be the brains/power, let them. I always say if we would raise little boys to be sweet and gentle and women to be brave and strong, we would all be the full package in a balanced physical and mental way.
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[Old Memory]
Men will accept sex aslong as there is nothing completely off about people, such as obesity, harmful to their well being, have a partner, and so on. Women will not.
Where did I say women are disgusting for doing this? I never said that, in fact I am saying it would be better for everyone if women were more like men in this aspect. I am saying there are two standards, one men have made for men, and one women have made for women.
The male standard is that sex is sex, if you want it, no matter how much, then go for it.
The female standard is that sex is granted, if you want it, give it to the right people. Giving away sex to people of low standard is insulting to "you".Since these are the standards of both, both genders accept the standards of eachother.
If a woman has sex with multiple people that are not "catches", then they dirty women, as the differentiate from the female standard women have made and the majority abide by.
If a man does not have sex with women there is nothing wrong with, he will be ridiculed and seen as "Gay", and so on, because he differentiates from the standards men have made in this regard.
There is the sense, it is you may not be understanding it.
Yes, men need more than a penis to have sex, that's just how it is. Put a man and a woman together and have them asking for sex, the man will be shot down most of the time, as all he is showing is that he is male, and the woman will have better luck, when all she is showing she is female.
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SuperBenzid
No I am an egalitarian, so I can't support a cause with a one way bias.
As an example of the bias Feminist groups often complain of a wage gap between genders but do look at the sentencing gap between genders because the latter is a negative effective on men.
Also lies about the wage gap truly annoy me. When controlled for equal work the wage gap is 3% and that is mostly due to men working more overtime. They use highly misleading aggregate figures.
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disthing
I support equality.
So yes, I support the principles of feminism i.e. equal social and legal status for women. I'm a feminist in that capacity, but that is only one slice of the pie of egalitarianism. I'm an egalitarian; I am against inequality based on superficial factors such as race, religion, gender, sexuality, nationality, political beliefs and so on.
Egalitarian pie tastes like cherry pie. Damn that's good pie.
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misca
Feminism nowadays has nothing to do with equality. I can't support that.
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myboyfriendsbitch
I don't even care. Feminism has become counterproductive. The true feminists should call themselves something else or nothing at all if they want to be taken seriously.I just try to look past all of that and do what I want to do without putting feminine and masculine labels on everything. Should I come across an opportunity to equality I'll take it, but I'm not going to go out of my way for it and call myself a feminist.
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[Old Memory]
had a cat called manny, used to call him at night , till a voice in the dark said ...yes?
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[Old Memory]
Woops. Clicked yes for male by accident.
Anyway, no, I don't. The movement may of had some moral aim in the past, however now it is just filled with hypocrites, idiots, and people just brainwashed to answer questions with pre-recorded answers, that when you bring up a point that they have no answer to, they simply don't know how to respond and end up just cussing at you.
Feminism is just a vile movement. Maybe more people would support them if they put all that attention they put from putting a female face on a note, or from Twitter trolls towards people that actually need help, then people would respect them.
The fact they would rather make issues out of nothing to try claim "they" are victims rather than help women (and men) in areas that need help, shows that they are nothing but selfish people.Comment Hidden ( show )-
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[Old Memory]
See what I mean? Thumbed down for suggesting men and women in other areas suffer more than women in the western world is to be thumbed down, disagreed with...Ofcourse, with no reasoning behind it.
It's sad, really. You know you can't support your ideology, but you are too brainwashed by that ideology not being able to cover these points, so you don't know how to respond, which results in you knowing you can't respond yet still think you are correct, rather than thinking "if I can't prove myself right, then maybe I'm not right". It's just sad. An ideology that prevents any actual individual reasoning, relying on feminist reasoning that can be dismantled easily, yet bashes in to your skull that even when you're wrong, you're right.
It's just sad.
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andiforoncedonthatehumans
Equality cannot exist.Most(i said most not all)modern women tend to thing they were born princess.
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cȱɱpɩɛx
The idea, yes. The stage play, no. It's inhuman to rotate the beaks. They don't know if they're eating upside-down or whatnot.
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Terence_the_viking
If they are willing to get there hands dirty them i am all for it but if they just got a big mouth then they can piss the fuck off.
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Wendell
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I'm an advocate for women's rights in countries where women are fighting for the human rights the western world takes for granted.
In the western world, I would actually like to see whatever you call the opposite to feminism. Masculine movement? I think many men are really lost, disenchanted members of society. And I think there is so much pressure on them not to show any sign of weakness, to be leaders, breadwinners, self assured and un-phased. Alot of them feel embarrassed to talk about their problems with other men. This leads to cases of depression, anxiety, suicide. I wish something could be done to liberate my gender.Comment Hidden ( show )