I suppose that is true, how I deliver something is why I get the reatcion. Maybe this sounds arrogant and bigheaded, but maybe I should just accept that 98% of users on here can't handle full blown, cold facts and need it watered down for them. Again, that may sound big headed of me, but I have tried the way of just giving out full fact without watering it down, and look at the reactions I get.
I am above many people on certain subjects of debate on here, just like there are people above me in other areas of debates, or maybe in the same debates. I do see myself as a valuable piece to contribute to debates due to seeing it from a different side of things. (That is my personal belief, you may dissagree)
No, no. I am not always right. I have admitted to being wrong a lot. I would even go as far to say that I have admitted to being wrong more than most people on this site have. I am not the pinnacle of logic, far from it. Although, I value logic over emotion, so if there is a topic I am familair on, then I believe I will comment on logic rather than let emotion get involved.
When I say the "illogical" people, I mean the people that "know" they are wrong, yet still fight against something. People that have been proven wrong, asked to (respectfully) to give me a reason to take their argument seriously (reliable sources of information that back up their claim), and some can't, yet think they are still right, regardless of me giving reliable sources of information.
I think the real problem in both of our attitudes is our definitions of "truth." It's not the fact that you tell your truth that makes you seem bigheaded, it's the fact that you're convinced that you're telling only the truth. Often times, you think that you are, but your truth is different to other peoples'. You can't deny the fact that you make many generalizations, and you can't deny the fact that generalizations are only the truth some of the time.
Let me explain this through an old folktale. The leader of a land was keeping slaves, which is wrong. Someone stood up to him, bringing a number of plagues down on the land. The final plague was the murdering of an entire generation. The first plagues were warnings to the leader, but since the leader was convinced that his truth was the final truth, he hardened his heart and refused free the slaves. His pride and closed-mindedness was his downfall, leading to the death of his only son. Had be been more open about what he considered to be the "truth," then maybe he would have had the chance to save his child.
Judging from your stubborn hatred of women, I doubt that you have a child. You are probably also an atheist, which means that this folktale (which you've undoubtedly identified as the Passover story) may seem irrelevant to you. But it's very relevant. If you were willing to stop making generalizations about gender and race, and open your mind to what other people consider the truth, then maybe you could learn something.
I direct you back to your hatred of women- one reason that you have the reputation that you do is because you bring your views into topics that are barely applicable. On a poll about age and generational differences, you tried to use the situation to justify your hatred of literally half of the world's population. The reason that your comment got so many thumbs down was not because people could not take "the truth," it was because their truth was different to yours. They did not make generalizations, so they saw your comment as being closed-minded and self-centered. Your reputation is yet strengthened by how defensive you get when you get a thumbs down, or when someone contradicts you. You're almost constantly trying to make yourself the victim (you comment a lot on how heterosexual white men have fewer rights than everyone else) which is simply not true. It may seem like the truth to you, but to other people, it is not. Different versions of the truth are credible in different situations.
Don't we all believe what we see as truth as the truth? It is the reason why we see it as the truth, because we believe it to be. It would be quite weird for someone to say "This is true, but I don't believe it's true". I do know that you can see something as true yet be open to being shown wrong, which I am open to and encourage people speaking up if I am wrong. LIke I have said before, I debate to prove my point and progress if my point is wrong so that I know the actual truth.
I agree, I make generalizations. I understand that. I have a problem with mixing "alot" with most. In my experience, the things I say are true, which is why I state them. I do realize that what I experience does not equal to every other individuals actions aswell. Although, the fact that I have moved a lot is something that brings me back to the "hold on, I have moved to a lot of places, yet these generalizations I make seem to be true with the group of people I am generalizing in this area".
Personally, I don't believe I can be linked to the slave-owner in that example. I don't make the things I see as truth up due to my own pride and thought, they are encouraged through the actions of others. These beliefs I have are due to observations, not blind assumptions.
I don't hate women at all. Just because I see their gender as a group inferior to the male gender as a group does not mean I hate them. The majority of people I grew up with were females, and I liked them very much. If anything, I have been the victim of males far more than the victim of females, which is why I don't see myself as very emotional on the subject, because if I was emotional about it, I would brand the male gender evil for how many times I have been their victim since a young child.
To be honest, I'm not sure on athiesm, religion, etc. I believed in God at a young age, but I came to realize that I couldn't know life's secret, nobody can, so I don't choose to have any belief. I started to not be so sure about God's existance when I realized that the only information I have to believe he exists is the word of other people, and a book that has been changed a lot. So I don't have any belief other than I simply can't know.
There isn't more than one truth. There is the truthm then there are opinions we believe to be truth. We debate and talk about our opinions of what the truth is, and the one with more logical reasons of truth are more than likely the real truth, not just an opinion.
Yes, we all believe that our truth is the truth. But the way we handle other people's truths are different. Some people attempt to accept other people's truths, and other people simply try to convince others of his own truth. It's a matter of how open-minded different people are. What I'm trying to say is, you're often unable to see what other users see as the truth- you're often incredibly defensive of your version of the truth, and I think that you could learn a lot by relaxing, and giving up some of your pride.
That being said, I believe that we're all linked to the slave-owner in some way. You can't deny the fact that you and I are both, in some way, blinded by our pride. You're evidently very proud of being a man, since you make generalizations about women (as you said, you believe your gender to be superior to mine). I'm proud of other things about myself, which makes me biased as well. It's impossible not to be biased, since we're all human here (as far as I know). But we can all do our best not to judge people based on our own selfish pride and generalizations.
I think there is only one truth, but we as humans can never really know what that truth is. I can't necessarily see the whole truth, and neither can you. That's why we need to be able to swallow our sense of pride, and learn to take each other's truths into account. I believe that men and women are equal- I have been trying to see the world in terms of your truth, but I haven't been able to. I can't see a way in which a person's merit can be judged solely on which hormones and organs they happen to have. My truth may well still be wrong, but I've tried to accept your truth, and it just has not worked for me so far. Perhaps, if you tried to accept my truth, you could see a new way of thinking about the world; and if you can't see the way that I see, then it just means that we've got truths that can't work together. Again, I see myself as your equal, and I see the more emotional user of this site as equals as well. Because for all I know, their truths are more correct than mine. I may disagree with them, but maybe there's something I'm not seeing.
And the third type of person engages in a debate to prove their poing, wanting to know if their truth is more accurate than the other debater's truth due to debating about it.
I am relaxed when I debate. A lot of people seem to think I'm raging at the screen when I'm in a debate, I assure you the opposite.
I believe my version of the truth is truth, so I challenge their version of truth with my version of truth, that way we communicate to figure out which one of our truths are more accurate.
In some senses, yes. Although, the whole gender thing is something that my pride isn't a part of. I try to make it clear that I am not saying that "I" am better than all, or even most females in the world, just that I share the same gender with the group of people that have, and stil do, achieve more in our species' progression. I never claimed that I am something to envy just for my gender, just that the group I belong to is something to envy.
I used to be someone you can say is a feminist, so I am not that biased, just the reasons for acknowledging the male gender as a group is better was more understandable. I used to argue just as much as I do now about how women are superior. That all changed when I took an interest in the subject, got told by someone to look up the issue more before I comment, then realized I was wrong.
I think we can see the whole truth. When it comes to truth, it is black and white. It is true or it isn't, there is no inbetween unless something has been misunderstood.
I can't see it as truths, I see it as opinions, just like what I consider the truth to be an opinion unless people are unable to counter my opinion that I believe to be fact. There is only one truth, just different opinions of what the truth is, that doesn't change what the truth actually is, though.
I believe the male gender as a group are better, and that males have the potential to be greater individually if they are educated in ways that fit their energy levels and interests at a young age that works towards their progression.
Science states that the male brain and female brain are different, which they are. Males have more grey matter, and women have more white matter. Grey matter is what makes us intelligent, and since men have more naturally, if trained in the way that fits their progression needs, I believe they can do better the majority of the time.
I still firmply believe that the only reason women have as much use as they have today is due to the contributions males have made in technology to society that eneables women to work just as much as males, that they rely on technology to work as well as males.
I have accepted your truth once upon a time, it used to be my own truth, but I was corrected, and the logic behind why I was wrong was truth.
I definetly don't see the emotional>logic people's truths being anywhere compared to those that think mainly with logic. Truth is logic, realized by logic, and so on. Emotions can corrupt a truth.
In that case, our truths/opinions aren't compatible. If you don't believe that I have the same intellectual capacity that you do, then that is simply what you see as the truth. Something tells me that I will never get you to see things my way, and I assure you, you'll never get me to see the way that you do. I suppose we'll just have to agree to disagree.
Then let's discuss why what we see as truth differs, and come to a conclusion. I have seen things your way before, before I have what I see as truths now.
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I suppose that is true, how I deliver something is why I get the reatcion. Maybe this sounds arrogant and bigheaded, but maybe I should just accept that 98% of users on here can't handle full blown, cold facts and need it watered down for them. Again, that may sound big headed of me, but I have tried the way of just giving out full fact without watering it down, and look at the reactions I get.
I am above many people on certain subjects of debate on here, just like there are people above me in other areas of debates, or maybe in the same debates. I do see myself as a valuable piece to contribute to debates due to seeing it from a different side of things. (That is my personal belief, you may dissagree)
No, no. I am not always right. I have admitted to being wrong a lot. I would even go as far to say that I have admitted to being wrong more than most people on this site have. I am not the pinnacle of logic, far from it. Although, I value logic over emotion, so if there is a topic I am familair on, then I believe I will comment on logic rather than let emotion get involved.
When I say the "illogical" people, I mean the people that "know" they are wrong, yet still fight against something. People that have been proven wrong, asked to (respectfully) to give me a reason to take their argument seriously (reliable sources of information that back up their claim), and some can't, yet think they are still right, regardless of me giving reliable sources of information.
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I think the real problem in both of our attitudes is our definitions of "truth." It's not the fact that you tell your truth that makes you seem bigheaded, it's the fact that you're convinced that you're telling only the truth. Often times, you think that you are, but your truth is different to other peoples'. You can't deny the fact that you make many generalizations, and you can't deny the fact that generalizations are only the truth some of the time.
Let me explain this through an old folktale. The leader of a land was keeping slaves, which is wrong. Someone stood up to him, bringing a number of plagues down on the land. The final plague was the murdering of an entire generation. The first plagues were warnings to the leader, but since the leader was convinced that his truth was the final truth, he hardened his heart and refused free the slaves. His pride and closed-mindedness was his downfall, leading to the death of his only son. Had be been more open about what he considered to be the "truth," then maybe he would have had the chance to save his child.
Judging from your stubborn hatred of women, I doubt that you have a child. You are probably also an atheist, which means that this folktale (which you've undoubtedly identified as the Passover story) may seem irrelevant to you. But it's very relevant. If you were willing to stop making generalizations about gender and race, and open your mind to what other people consider the truth, then maybe you could learn something.
I direct you back to your hatred of women- one reason that you have the reputation that you do is because you bring your views into topics that are barely applicable. On a poll about age and generational differences, you tried to use the situation to justify your hatred of literally half of the world's population. The reason that your comment got so many thumbs down was not because people could not take "the truth," it was because their truth was different to yours. They did not make generalizations, so they saw your comment as being closed-minded and self-centered. Your reputation is yet strengthened by how defensive you get when you get a thumbs down, or when someone contradicts you. You're almost constantly trying to make yourself the victim (you comment a lot on how heterosexual white men have fewer rights than everyone else) which is simply not true. It may seem like the truth to you, but to other people, it is not. Different versions of the truth are credible in different situations.
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Don't we all believe what we see as truth as the truth? It is the reason why we see it as the truth, because we believe it to be. It would be quite weird for someone to say "This is true, but I don't believe it's true". I do know that you can see something as true yet be open to being shown wrong, which I am open to and encourage people speaking up if I am wrong. LIke I have said before, I debate to prove my point and progress if my point is wrong so that I know the actual truth.
I agree, I make generalizations. I understand that. I have a problem with mixing "alot" with most. In my experience, the things I say are true, which is why I state them. I do realize that what I experience does not equal to every other individuals actions aswell. Although, the fact that I have moved a lot is something that brings me back to the "hold on, I have moved to a lot of places, yet these generalizations I make seem to be true with the group of people I am generalizing in this area".
Personally, I don't believe I can be linked to the slave-owner in that example. I don't make the things I see as truth up due to my own pride and thought, they are encouraged through the actions of others. These beliefs I have are due to observations, not blind assumptions.
I don't hate women at all. Just because I see their gender as a group inferior to the male gender as a group does not mean I hate them. The majority of people I grew up with were females, and I liked them very much. If anything, I have been the victim of males far more than the victim of females, which is why I don't see myself as very emotional on the subject, because if I was emotional about it, I would brand the male gender evil for how many times I have been their victim since a young child.
To be honest, I'm not sure on athiesm, religion, etc. I believed in God at a young age, but I came to realize that I couldn't know life's secret, nobody can, so I don't choose to have any belief. I started to not be so sure about God's existance when I realized that the only information I have to believe he exists is the word of other people, and a book that has been changed a lot. So I don't have any belief other than I simply can't know.
There isn't more than one truth. There is the truthm then there are opinions we believe to be truth. We debate and talk about our opinions of what the truth is, and the one with more logical reasons of truth are more than likely the real truth, not just an opinion.
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Yes, we all believe that our truth is the truth. But the way we handle other people's truths are different. Some people attempt to accept other people's truths, and other people simply try to convince others of his own truth. It's a matter of how open-minded different people are. What I'm trying to say is, you're often unable to see what other users see as the truth- you're often incredibly defensive of your version of the truth, and I think that you could learn a lot by relaxing, and giving up some of your pride.
That being said, I believe that we're all linked to the slave-owner in some way. You can't deny the fact that you and I are both, in some way, blinded by our pride. You're evidently very proud of being a man, since you make generalizations about women (as you said, you believe your gender to be superior to mine). I'm proud of other things about myself, which makes me biased as well. It's impossible not to be biased, since we're all human here (as far as I know). But we can all do our best not to judge people based on our own selfish pride and generalizations.
I think there is only one truth, but we as humans can never really know what that truth is. I can't necessarily see the whole truth, and neither can you. That's why we need to be able to swallow our sense of pride, and learn to take each other's truths into account. I believe that men and women are equal- I have been trying to see the world in terms of your truth, but I haven't been able to. I can't see a way in which a person's merit can be judged solely on which hormones and organs they happen to have. My truth may well still be wrong, but I've tried to accept your truth, and it just has not worked for me so far. Perhaps, if you tried to accept my truth, you could see a new way of thinking about the world; and if you can't see the way that I see, then it just means that we've got truths that can't work together. Again, I see myself as your equal, and I see the more emotional user of this site as equals as well. Because for all I know, their truths are more correct than mine. I may disagree with them, but maybe there's something I'm not seeing.
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And the third type of person engages in a debate to prove their poing, wanting to know if their truth is more accurate than the other debater's truth due to debating about it.
I am relaxed when I debate. A lot of people seem to think I'm raging at the screen when I'm in a debate, I assure you the opposite.
I believe my version of the truth is truth, so I challenge their version of truth with my version of truth, that way we communicate to figure out which one of our truths are more accurate.
In some senses, yes. Although, the whole gender thing is something that my pride isn't a part of. I try to make it clear that I am not saying that "I" am better than all, or even most females in the world, just that I share the same gender with the group of people that have, and stil do, achieve more in our species' progression. I never claimed that I am something to envy just for my gender, just that the group I belong to is something to envy.
I used to be someone you can say is a feminist, so I am not that biased, just the reasons for acknowledging the male gender as a group is better was more understandable. I used to argue just as much as I do now about how women are superior. That all changed when I took an interest in the subject, got told by someone to look up the issue more before I comment, then realized I was wrong.
I think we can see the whole truth. When it comes to truth, it is black and white. It is true or it isn't, there is no inbetween unless something has been misunderstood.
I can't see it as truths, I see it as opinions, just like what I consider the truth to be an opinion unless people are unable to counter my opinion that I believe to be fact. There is only one truth, just different opinions of what the truth is, that doesn't change what the truth actually is, though.
I believe the male gender as a group are better, and that males have the potential to be greater individually if they are educated in ways that fit their energy levels and interests at a young age that works towards their progression.
Science states that the male brain and female brain are different, which they are. Males have more grey matter, and women have more white matter. Grey matter is what makes us intelligent, and since men have more naturally, if trained in the way that fits their progression needs, I believe they can do better the majority of the time.
I still firmply believe that the only reason women have as much use as they have today is due to the contributions males have made in technology to society that eneables women to work just as much as males, that they rely on technology to work as well as males.
I have accepted your truth once upon a time, it used to be my own truth, but I was corrected, and the logic behind why I was wrong was truth.
I definetly don't see the emotional>logic people's truths being anywhere compared to those that think mainly with logic. Truth is logic, realized by logic, and so on. Emotions can corrupt a truth.
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In that case, our truths/opinions aren't compatible. If you don't believe that I have the same intellectual capacity that you do, then that is simply what you see as the truth. Something tells me that I will never get you to see things my way, and I assure you, you'll never get me to see the way that you do. I suppose we'll just have to agree to disagree.
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Then let's discuss why what we see as truth differs, and come to a conclusion. I have seen things your way before, before I have what I see as truths now.