Yes and no. I believe that you reap what you sow. Sort of like a law of probability. If you put you're time into crime, then surely crime will...take time from you? Didn't mean to rhyme there but am I being clear. Karma doesn't really work anyways, kill a thousand people, how does your death justify it, how could any pain one person feels, psychological, or emotional justify the pain that those families feel.
In short, I don't believe in justice through pain, that if you are to do bad, you deserved bad things done to you, because that doesn't help anything. It's like what Gandhi said about and eye for an eye; it makes the world go blind. As long as people are hurt, especially inexplicably, they will likely always hurt others back. And would you only do good things so you could have good things done to you? It seems to lower humanity to lifetyle based on rewards and punishment, like dogs.
I personally, do good things because I want to simply. Whatever comes my way thats good, is bonus. I take all the bad too, it's worth something.
Exactly. Its related to character and intentions too, imo. Deontological morality. If you do stuff for the sake of it coming back to benefit you, then you're really only focused on the *outcome* of what you do, which is totally out of your control. The uncertainty principle proves that physical outcomes aren't really in your control.
In that case you're simply trying to manipulate circumstance so that you can have certain tangible things. Thats setting yourself up to be disappointed and unhappy, (karma) because rather than focusing on what you can do for its own sake, you're focused on how you can control the outcome.
If you do kind/just things for its own sake, and that makes you happy, then you will be content if you can control your own actions. And thats all you can do, really. You will be focused on your actions, which you can control, not the outcome, which you can't control. Then it doesn't matter what happens, you will always have the opportunity to do good and be happy.
Thats what I think karma is. Not just physical causality, because people can argue about that forever. Its more of a state of mind.
And I'm saying I find that hard to believe. What motivates you? Why are you interested in doing good? What do you consider to be you doing good? I have not experienced a lot of people that are the way you say you are.
I ended up writing a really long response just to let you know that I am trying to respond to you the best way I know how but I realize in short what motivates me is doing good itself. I like knowing I am helping someone and contributing, that is good enough for me. I think a lot of other people feel the same way to, but we only notice when someone screws up. I truly want anyone here to know that I am not a good person by my own standards, but I want to be and will be if I try.
I do know why because good is good and therefor I want to serve good. Is that so hard to understand? It serves no deeper motive than the fact that I like doing good, although sometimes, maybe more often than not, doing the right thing is harder, but still I enjoy it. I certainly don't like serving the other side, further separating us, spreading more hate and so it goes. Yet I still do at times. And honestly it's absolutely tearing me apart being a part of both.
Maybe I don't understand you. Maybe I'm an idiot and I don't understand the nuances of your minimalist commentary.
What I do understand is that people were having a discussion and you jumped in to challenge Short4Words about the last sentence of his comment where he makes a short and irrelevant claim about himself, while completely looking past the main message of his comment.
That's exactly it. Why did you need to write "Maybe I'm an idiot and I don't understand the nuances of your minimalist commentary." ?
I usually don't mesh with a type of people that are over emotive, generally considered to have good social skills and be sociable, and unfortunately, jump to conclusions.
Sometimes I am a bit cruel, and a bit oblivious in what I say. I'm not trying to be offensive, but I can be. It's been suggested that I have aspearger's. Only suggested, not proven.
I did see the main message. I thought it was a bit touching. What he said was contrary to what I have seen and experienced people to be and do. I want to believe he is different. I want to learn why. I can't though, if I have to walk on eggshells, and constantly worry about offending somebody.
The internet is a poor medium for communication. But I can see how it has been speculated that you might have aspearger's. My response would have been different if you had said
*I think* you misunderstand me
Telling someone that they don't understand something is not the right way to go about a discussion.
But now I can clearly see that there was no harm intended. I have friends with aspergers, it has always taken me a while to warm up to your type, after all we are opposites when it comes to interpersonal relationships/communication....The internet is a poor medium for communication.
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Yes and no. I believe that you reap what you sow. Sort of like a law of probability. If you put you're time into crime, then surely crime will...take time from you? Didn't mean to rhyme there but am I being clear. Karma doesn't really work anyways, kill a thousand people, how does your death justify it, how could any pain one person feels, psychological, or emotional justify the pain that those families feel.
In short, I don't believe in justice through pain, that if you are to do bad, you deserved bad things done to you, because that doesn't help anything. It's like what Gandhi said about and eye for an eye; it makes the world go blind. As long as people are hurt, especially inexplicably, they will likely always hurt others back. And would you only do good things so you could have good things done to you? It seems to lower humanity to lifetyle based on rewards and punishment, like dogs.
I personally, do good things because I want to simply. Whatever comes my way thats good, is bonus. I take all the bad too, it's worth something.
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Exactly. Its related to character and intentions too, imo. Deontological morality. If you do stuff for the sake of it coming back to benefit you, then you're really only focused on the *outcome* of what you do, which is totally out of your control. The uncertainty principle proves that physical outcomes aren't really in your control.
In that case you're simply trying to manipulate circumstance so that you can have certain tangible things. Thats setting yourself up to be disappointed and unhappy, (karma) because rather than focusing on what you can do for its own sake, you're focused on how you can control the outcome.
If you do kind/just things for its own sake, and that makes you happy, then you will be content if you can control your own actions. And thats all you can do, really. You will be focused on your actions, which you can control, not the outcome, which you can't control. Then it doesn't matter what happens, you will always have the opportunity to do good and be happy.
Thats what I think karma is. Not just physical causality, because people can argue about that forever. Its more of a state of mind.
This ^. Took the words out of my mouth.
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You are one of the few good people on this planet that does good just 'cause? What do you do? Do you voulenteer like 24-7? Do you ever do bad things?
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I never said it was perfect. I just said when I do good it's because I want to mostly. I'm not expecting reward.
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And I'm saying I find that hard to believe. What motivates you? Why are you interested in doing good? What do you consider to be you doing good? I have not experienced a lot of people that are the way you say you are.
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I ended up writing a really long response just to let you know that I am trying to respond to you the best way I know how but I realize in short what motivates me is doing good itself. I like knowing I am helping someone and contributing, that is good enough for me. I think a lot of other people feel the same way to, but we only notice when someone screws up. I truly want anyone here to know that I am not a good person by my own standards, but I want to be and will be if I try.
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So, you don't really know why? You just want to do good?
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I do know why because good is good and therefor I want to serve good. Is that so hard to understand? It serves no deeper motive than the fact that I like doing good, although sometimes, maybe more often than not, doing the right thing is harder, but still I enjoy it. I certainly don't like serving the other side, further separating us, spreading more hate and so it goes. Yet I still do at times. And honestly it's absolutely tearing me apart being a part of both.
This is moral discussion, not moral judgement. Want to get off of your ivory tower? Stop throwing rocks from your glass house.
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You don't understand me.
And honestly, I don't understand that idiom. I'm terrible with idioms. I do understand that you think I was intentionally trying to be offensive.
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Maybe I don't understand you. Maybe I'm an idiot and I don't understand the nuances of your minimalist commentary.
What I do understand is that people were having a discussion and you jumped in to challenge Short4Words about the last sentence of his comment where he makes a short and irrelevant claim about himself, while completely looking past the main message of his comment.
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That's exactly it. Why did you need to write "Maybe I'm an idiot and I don't understand the nuances of your minimalist commentary." ?
I usually don't mesh with a type of people that are over emotive, generally considered to have good social skills and be sociable, and unfortunately, jump to conclusions.
Sometimes I am a bit cruel, and a bit oblivious in what I say. I'm not trying to be offensive, but I can be. It's been suggested that I have aspearger's. Only suggested, not proven.
I did see the main message. I thought it was a bit touching. What he said was contrary to what I have seen and experienced people to be and do. I want to believe he is different. I want to learn why. I can't though, if I have to walk on eggshells, and constantly worry about offending somebody.
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The internet is a poor medium for communication. But I can see how it has been speculated that you might have aspearger's. My response would have been different if you had said
*I think* you misunderstand me
Telling someone that they don't understand something is not the right way to go about a discussion.
But now I can clearly see that there was no harm intended. I have friends with aspergers, it has always taken me a while to warm up to your type, after all we are opposites when it comes to interpersonal relationships/communication....The internet is a poor medium for communication.