God cannot exist no matter how many word salads you throw at it.
God was a concept create by man to explain why we are here ect. because they had almost no understanding of how the world worked.
Creation is impossible because nothing is just that nothing, and nothing is, nothing no matter what.
And in order for true creation to happen not even a "creator" can be present, because then who or what created them on into infinity.
Where did the universe come from honestly we don't know.
And the thought of some altimate being speaking everything into existence is laughable.
Arguably everything anyone has written on this page is word salad, but verbiage doesn't make any difference to wheher God exists or not. He does or he doesn't. All it can make a difference to is whether people think he does. It is either God or the void that will have the last laugh when we're dead.
You would try to make a God exist or not exist via logic, which is essentially a thought experiment. Could God not equally make you exist via thought experiment? Is all matter essentially the fabric of an extra-material being's thoughts, or speech? Is there an infinite number of 'yous', which would be required to make an infinite God cease infinitelty to exist? Perhaps I am being facetious. Pick holes if you will, you will always have a retort. Christians hold that God can speak matter into being - and the human urge to speak God into nothing could be seen perhaps as a twisted vestige of having been created in his image.
Were you there when man supposedly invented God? If you like evidence so much, can you show me some?
I don't see why God needs an infinite chain of creators to exist. I don't see the conflict. The point of a creator is that it brings things into existence that were not before. Nothing can be created out of nothing - but this very rule is based on a naturalist account of the universe that excludes God from consideration and only considers mortal things as possibly existing from the outset. God is not the same as a mortal thing. He is an eternal thing. Eternal things don't rely on mortal things to exist. They aren't bound by the same limitations either. God doesn't need to be created... because eternal things, by their very nature, aren't created.
We use logic to try to prove such-and-such a thing can or can't be - but there is actually no reason why he universe *should* obey 'hard logic' as it is understood by humans. By naturalist accounts at least, we aren't at the centre of the universe. The universe does not exist just because it is logical to us, or cease to exist just because we find bits of it hard to make logical sense of. Are you and I even well read enough in hard, mathematical-philosophical logic to be able to make authoritative statements about wheher God is logical and discredit opponents? Should we require God to make more innate logical sense than the physical world around us before we will admit that his existence is even 'possible'? The physical world too has many mysteries. How much more the one who created it! And how could we even permit God to make logical sense at all if we are so certain that he doesn't exist? If you study a thing because you're only interested in proving that it isn't in fact there, are you really studying it? How can you analyse a thing with your eyes shut?
Just because you don't want us to be able to know something doesn't mean we don't know. Just because something is laughable doesn't mean it isn't so.
If god can be eternal as you say, then why couldn't the universe be eternal.
Really it's a question of what meaning you choose to give a god.
I don't give any thought of a dirty any meaning there for it has none and doesn't exist.
But you can't deny the universe or science, because there it is.
The universe could be eternal. In theory. Why does God being eternal mean that the universe couldn't be eternal? And if the universe wasn't eternal, God could still be eternal. He is not subject to what he created unless he subjects himself to it...
If he exists he is subject, because where did he come from and why?
And if god knows everything past present and future, why even bother with us in the first place?
How could a perfect god create something so imperfect?
Sorry about the time gaps, I only check back here once or twice a month, because it's not as busy here, lol.
Do you believe in God, science or both?
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God cannot exist no matter how many word salads you throw at it.
God was a concept create by man to explain why we are here ect. because they had almost no understanding of how the world worked.
Creation is impossible because nothing is just that nothing, and nothing is, nothing no matter what.
And in order for true creation to happen not even a "creator" can be present, because then who or what created them on into infinity.
Where did the universe come from honestly we don't know.
And the thought of some altimate being speaking everything into existence is laughable.
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Arguably everything anyone has written on this page is word salad, but verbiage doesn't make any difference to wheher God exists or not. He does or he doesn't. All it can make a difference to is whether people think he does. It is either God or the void that will have the last laugh when we're dead.
You would try to make a God exist or not exist via logic, which is essentially a thought experiment. Could God not equally make you exist via thought experiment? Is all matter essentially the fabric of an extra-material being's thoughts, or speech? Is there an infinite number of 'yous', which would be required to make an infinite God cease infinitelty to exist? Perhaps I am being facetious. Pick holes if you will, you will always have a retort. Christians hold that God can speak matter into being - and the human urge to speak God into nothing could be seen perhaps as a twisted vestige of having been created in his image.
Were you there when man supposedly invented God? If you like evidence so much, can you show me some?
I don't see why God needs an infinite chain of creators to exist. I don't see the conflict. The point of a creator is that it brings things into existence that were not before. Nothing can be created out of nothing - but this very rule is based on a naturalist account of the universe that excludes God from consideration and only considers mortal things as possibly existing from the outset. God is not the same as a mortal thing. He is an eternal thing. Eternal things don't rely on mortal things to exist. They aren't bound by the same limitations either. God doesn't need to be created... because eternal things, by their very nature, aren't created.
We use logic to try to prove such-and-such a thing can or can't be - but there is actually no reason why he universe *should* obey 'hard logic' as it is understood by humans. By naturalist accounts at least, we aren't at the centre of the universe. The universe does not exist just because it is logical to us, or cease to exist just because we find bits of it hard to make logical sense of. Are you and I even well read enough in hard, mathematical-philosophical logic to be able to make authoritative statements about wheher God is logical and discredit opponents? Should we require God to make more innate logical sense than the physical world around us before we will admit that his existence is even 'possible'? The physical world too has many mysteries. How much more the one who created it! And how could we even permit God to make logical sense at all if we are so certain that he doesn't exist? If you study a thing because you're only interested in proving that it isn't in fact there, are you really studying it? How can you analyse a thing with your eyes shut?
Just because you don't want us to be able to know something doesn't mean we don't know. Just because something is laughable doesn't mean it isn't so.
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If god can be eternal as you say, then why couldn't the universe be eternal.
Really it's a question of what meaning you choose to give a god.
I don't give any thought of a dirty any meaning there for it has none and doesn't exist.
But you can't deny the universe or science, because there it is.
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The universe could be eternal. In theory. Why does God being eternal mean that the universe couldn't be eternal? And if the universe wasn't eternal, God could still be eternal. He is not subject to what he created unless he subjects himself to it...
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If he exists he is subject, because where did he come from and why?
And if god knows everything past present and future, why even bother with us in the first place?
How could a perfect god create something so imperfect?
Sorry about the time gaps, I only check back here once or twice a month, because it's not as busy here, lol.