Either way, it's got huge impact. The Egyptian Pharos told the slaves building the pyramids that they were building a resurrection machine, and that he would return after his death to save them from a permanent death. Wow, talk about impact. They worked like demons.
It is not whether people rise from the dead, or not. It's the impact of the idea. People fucking love victory over death. Procreative sex is victory over death. Zombie horror movies with open graves are victory over death. Frozen bodies to be resuscitated in future centuries are victory over death. Eucharistic celebrations are victory over death. All life on Planet Earth strives to replicate into eternity.
What the fuck? Please don't be shallow. Don't you see the primal urgency of this need? If you don't, you are no salesman for God. Nor, will you ever understand cultural anthropology. Nor, will the meaning of survival and your own primal instincts become known to you. I hope you see that in centuries to come, Planet Earth will become a factory to design and distribute forms of life customized for the nearly infinite variety of microcosms in our galaxy. Immortality is the ultimate imperative!
I see the primal urgency. But the fact that it is primal does not mean that the belief was fabricated. That urgency, that longing for immortality could equally have been put in us because immortality is what we were meant for - like our primal need for love.
Of course it does not mean it was fabricated. Any life form that does not have this primal urgency (from proto-cells on up) likely died eons ago. Darwinian selection is likely the largest contributing factor albeit not the only factor.
Well, I'm glad the evolution of the species was engineered in such a way as to retain it: God is eternal, and the imprint and 'signature' of the eternal one who made us, would seem to be stamped through us like a stick of rock, like a metaphysical 'gene'. It is fitting that of all things to remain eternally constant throughout the evolution of the species, should be the innate awareness of and striving for eternity itself. It is like, looking into a mirror, we see and recognise our own reflection.
Sorry, but although your suggestion is one of many scenarios, it is not self-evident. If God touched off the Big Bang, and then walked away forever, the Darwinian selection process with cellular mutation would still exist. There is some evidence that during the Cambrian Explosion, a burst of unlikely structural life forms began to take hold. It would be unwise to rule out Intelligent Design during this era of the Earth's history. But to generalize the "will to survive" to metaphysical and spiritual forces is, sorry to say, the first step toward delusional thinking.
In favor of your point, however, something is amiss. All the semi-logarithmic curves in nature have a mathematical base of 1.618033988749895... As a believer in mathematical rigor, I'll accept that this number could be the signature of God. Just don't go generalize this possibility to other concepts if doing so makes you feel warm and fuzzy. The discipline of science must always stand firmly like the metaphorical rock that you mention.
It's self-evident to me. :-P. A lot of things in life and in science aren't self-evident. But joking aside I get that anything is hard to appreciate for anyone if their entire worldview and concept of themselves and the world would be turned upside down if they accepted it.
What is self-evident to me, is that your myopic distinction between reality and conceptual conjecture is not an appreciation at all; just sort of a narcissistic sense of superiority that your esoteric concepts elude all but a few self proclaimed aristocrats like yourself. Perhaps you haven't outgrown your need for happy thoughts.
Why not just go and watch Fox News? Your soul would find comfort in their repetition of one side on all issues. Joking aside, Agnosticism has no world view. But, it demands consideration of both sides of any argument. And, that includes yours.
Sorry all I heard is bullshit bullshit the clockmaker fallacy bullshit.
With your little clockmaker fallacy all it does is create a bigger question. And that question is. Who created god and who created the one that created god and so on and so forth. This is following your own logic.
Why would God need to be created? That's what I don't get about the clockmaker fallacy argument. Being distinct from anything else in existence, he has the unique quality that he doesn't need to be created.
I mean, people who don't believe in God normally don't get wound up about the idea of the universe having existed for eternity, so I don't get wound up about the idea of God existing for eternity.
And why do we need a god to have been created? God is unnecessary in explaining our existence. The Bible is factually wrong on many parts and often contradicts itself. Our existence can easily be explained through evolution. Saying that because we are so unique that a god had to have created us is intellectually weak minded and factually wrong. All you have shown is that you have a poor grasp of logic and a lot of lazy thinking
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Either way, it's got huge impact. The Egyptian Pharos told the slaves building the pyramids that they were building a resurrection machine, and that he would return after his death to save them from a permanent death. Wow, talk about impact. They worked like demons.
It is not whether people rise from the dead, or not. It's the impact of the idea. People fucking love victory over death. Procreative sex is victory over death. Zombie horror movies with open graves are victory over death. Frozen bodies to be resuscitated in future centuries are victory over death. Eucharistic celebrations are victory over death. All life on Planet Earth strives to replicate into eternity.
What the fuck? Please don't be shallow. Don't you see the primal urgency of this need? If you don't, you are no salesman for God. Nor, will you ever understand cultural anthropology. Nor, will the meaning of survival and your own primal instincts become known to you. I hope you see that in centuries to come, Planet Earth will become a factory to design and distribute forms of life customized for the nearly infinite variety of microcosms in our galaxy. Immortality is the ultimate imperative!
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I see the primal urgency. But the fact that it is primal does not mean that the belief was fabricated. That urgency, that longing for immortality could equally have been put in us because immortality is what we were meant for - like our primal need for love.
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Of course it does not mean it was fabricated. Any life form that does not have this primal urgency (from proto-cells on up) likely died eons ago. Darwinian selection is likely the largest contributing factor albeit not the only factor.
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Well, I'm glad the evolution of the species was engineered in such a way as to retain it: God is eternal, and the imprint and 'signature' of the eternal one who made us, would seem to be stamped through us like a stick of rock, like a metaphysical 'gene'. It is fitting that of all things to remain eternally constant throughout the evolution of the species, should be the innate awareness of and striving for eternity itself. It is like, looking into a mirror, we see and recognise our own reflection.
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Sorry, but although your suggestion is one of many scenarios, it is not self-evident. If God touched off the Big Bang, and then walked away forever, the Darwinian selection process with cellular mutation would still exist. There is some evidence that during the Cambrian Explosion, a burst of unlikely structural life forms began to take hold. It would be unwise to rule out Intelligent Design during this era of the Earth's history. But to generalize the "will to survive" to metaphysical and spiritual forces is, sorry to say, the first step toward delusional thinking.
In favor of your point, however, something is amiss. All the semi-logarithmic curves in nature have a mathematical base of 1.618033988749895... As a believer in mathematical rigor, I'll accept that this number could be the signature of God. Just don't go generalize this possibility to other concepts if doing so makes you feel warm and fuzzy. The discipline of science must always stand firmly like the metaphorical rock that you mention.
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It's self-evident to me. :-P. A lot of things in life and in science aren't self-evident. But joking aside I get that anything is hard to appreciate for anyone if their entire worldview and concept of themselves and the world would be turned upside down if they accepted it.
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What is self-evident to me, is that your myopic distinction between reality and conceptual conjecture is not an appreciation at all; just sort of a narcissistic sense of superiority that your esoteric concepts elude all but a few self proclaimed aristocrats like yourself. Perhaps you haven't outgrown your need for happy thoughts.
Why not just go and watch Fox News? Your soul would find comfort in their repetition of one side on all issues. Joking aside, Agnosticism has no world view. But, it demands consideration of both sides of any argument. And, that includes yours.
Sorry all I heard is bullshit bullshit the clockmaker fallacy bullshit.
With your little clockmaker fallacy all it does is create a bigger question. And that question is. Who created god and who created the one that created god and so on and so forth. This is following your own logic.
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Why would God need to be created? That's what I don't get about the clockmaker fallacy argument. Being distinct from anything else in existence, he has the unique quality that he doesn't need to be created.
I mean, people who don't believe in God normally don't get wound up about the idea of the universe having existed for eternity, so I don't get wound up about the idea of God existing for eternity.
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And why do we need a god to have been created? God is unnecessary in explaining our existence. The Bible is factually wrong on many parts and often contradicts itself. Our existence can easily be explained through evolution. Saying that because we are so unique that a god had to have created us is intellectually weak minded and factually wrong. All you have shown is that you have a poor grasp of logic and a lot of lazy thinking
OP: I think she is saying in a sloppy way that God has always existed back to negative infinity. Remember the analogy (matter:distance::motion:time).
That comment, my friend, was a masterpiece.