Yeah, my grandfather did two and a bit years in prison and it killed him. Somebody sold him some stolen watches and then he sold them on for profit. He said he didn't know they were stolen. But even if he did, he bought some goods and sold them at a profit. And for that he got the same punishment as a murderer; just for less time.
Jails are supposed to be for rehabilitation, not for seclusion. It's sad to see things like that happen to good hearted people.
Is the law where you live, guilty until proven innocent? I once heard that it was like that ages ago in the UK, but I am not up to date or fully informed on the policies of other countries.
The complete opposite. You're presumed innocent until proven guilty here. If there remains reasonable doubt, you can't be charged guilty. What you've got up to in the past never gets revealed until after the verdict (which always struck me as strange. I agree with not judging people by the past, but why they reveal it after the decision, I don't know).
It's only a factor for sentencing, that's why. You don't get a sentence untill after you're proven guilty, and past convictions are used to determine sentence (as they should be). Past convictions should absolutely not be used to prove guilt, that's just plain WRONG.
This isn't an exhaustive list, but I think Sweden, France, Brazil, UK, South Africa, Australia, Iceland, Canada are the countries where you are presumed innocent and won't be executed just because some people think you did it although they don't really know for sure.
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Yeah, my grandfather did two and a bit years in prison and it killed him. Somebody sold him some stolen watches and then he sold them on for profit. He said he didn't know they were stolen. But even if he did, he bought some goods and sold them at a profit. And for that he got the same punishment as a murderer; just for less time.
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Jails are supposed to be for rehabilitation, not for seclusion. It's sad to see things like that happen to good hearted people.
Is the law where you live, guilty until proven innocent? I once heard that it was like that ages ago in the UK, but I am not up to date or fully informed on the policies of other countries.
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The complete opposite. You're presumed innocent until proven guilty here. If there remains reasonable doubt, you can't be charged guilty. What you've got up to in the past never gets revealed until after the verdict (which always struck me as strange. I agree with not judging people by the past, but why they reveal it after the decision, I don't know).
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It's only a factor for sentencing, that's why. You don't get a sentence untill after you're proven guilty, and past convictions are used to determine sentence (as they should be). Past convictions should absolutely not be used to prove guilt, that's just plain WRONG.
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I hadn't thought about that but yes, it makes sense. And I agree it should be that way.
See, I heard it wasn't like that over there. Odd. Maybe they were speaking of another area.
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This isn't an exhaustive list, but I think Sweden, France, Brazil, UK, South Africa, Australia, Iceland, Canada are the countries where you are presumed innocent and won't be executed just because some people think you did it although they don't really know for sure.