While I don't disagree with your statement in general...
My aunt was a respite carer for a child who was being fostered. His foster mother fucked him over (emotionally, not sexually, but that's anwhole different story) and he was sent to a group home where he was raped. By another child. 13/14 years old, I think.
He was psychologically damaged from what was in his past. Does it make it ok? Of course not. Does it mean he deserves to suffer? Well, he already did. And yes, he was a child himself, but I think this can also be extended to some, if not many offenders with a history of being abused or of mental illness.
Psychological damage certainly is a big factor in the "why", and if adequately addressed, that does make a big difference as to whether the person is able to reform. In no way should it be a get out of jail free card. Sadly, we don't have systems or funding to adequately fix this problem.
And still, most people ignore the whole dact that the more you spend on services and support in the early years, the more society benefits :(
Also thr whole sexual assault vs teens sexting, public urination, etc, but I just assumed that it was given that you were not including that by your use of "sexual assault" as opposed to "sex offenders". Just adding that to pre empt the window lickers.
Yeah the whole pissing in public thing is a lie. Nobody actually gets arrested for that and put on the sex offender registry for it. Like I said, almost all sex offenses are plea-downs for pretty major/violent offenses because the victim didn't want to go through more hell to maybe or probably not get a chance at a rape conviction. The crime these guys are convicted of are usually not the crime they are actually guilty of.
Do you know more about the sexting between under aged teens being considered making and distributing child porn thing? My knowledge is clearly basic at best.
Same thing, usually. The sexting is usually the least of the crimes going on. May seem unfair if parents are pushing for arrest but put yourself in their place. And often it is an older person involved. I don't know of any cases with danger of...or involved with.... people of the same or similar age where someone got unjustly punished. Show me a case of same age sexting unjust harsh punishment that is not an anomaly.
Significantly older, or even slightly older, yes, totally. Between a couple in a relationship? There's a lot of things to be considered. Is it right to send someone else's photo? Never. Is it ok for two sixteen year olds to have photos of each other? Maybe, even if I personally think it's a stupid idea that could potentially fuck them up should those photos be seen by other people.
I'm sure, as you say, it is an anomaly. But. The question being asked is whether someone, as a sex offender, deserves a second chance. And should this hypothetical teen who had a photo of themselves or their girlfriend/boyfriend be charged/considered as such, I don't think they should be in the same category as an adult viewing child porn.
I have heard that some of the worst abusers are those who were abused. I don't buy that as any excuse though. I can have some tolerance for someone who knew nothing else but abuse but nobody else gets a pass. Most people know damn well what they are doing.
People who are cognitively or psychologically impaired may or may not. I'm no expert, but I think there is a possibility of this. I'm not saying it is the most prevalent, but that there would be some cases and these people may not have fucked up if they had had adequate support early on.
Do sex offenders deserve a second chance?
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While I don't disagree with your statement in general...
My aunt was a respite carer for a child who was being fostered. His foster mother fucked him over (emotionally, not sexually, but that's anwhole different story) and he was sent to a group home where he was raped. By another child. 13/14 years old, I think.
He was psychologically damaged from what was in his past. Does it make it ok? Of course not. Does it mean he deserves to suffer? Well, he already did. And yes, he was a child himself, but I think this can also be extended to some, if not many offenders with a history of being abused or of mental illness.
Psychological damage certainly is a big factor in the "why", and if adequately addressed, that does make a big difference as to whether the person is able to reform. In no way should it be a get out of jail free card. Sadly, we don't have systems or funding to adequately fix this problem.
And still, most people ignore the whole dact that the more you spend on services and support in the early years, the more society benefits :(
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Also thr whole sexual assault vs teens sexting, public urination, etc, but I just assumed that it was given that you were not including that by your use of "sexual assault" as opposed to "sex offenders". Just adding that to pre empt the window lickers.
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Yeah the whole pissing in public thing is a lie. Nobody actually gets arrested for that and put on the sex offender registry for it. Like I said, almost all sex offenses are plea-downs for pretty major/violent offenses because the victim didn't want to go through more hell to maybe or probably not get a chance at a rape conviction. The crime these guys are convicted of are usually not the crime they are actually guilty of.
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Ah ok.
Do you know more about the sexting between under aged teens being considered making and distributing child porn thing? My knowledge is clearly basic at best.
Can't argue with the rest of your comment.
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Same thing, usually. The sexting is usually the least of the crimes going on. May seem unfair if parents are pushing for arrest but put yourself in their place. And often it is an older person involved. I don't know of any cases with danger of...or involved with.... people of the same or similar age where someone got unjustly punished. Show me a case of same age sexting unjust harsh punishment that is not an anomaly.
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It's a hugely messed up area.
Significantly older, or even slightly older, yes, totally. Between a couple in a relationship? There's a lot of things to be considered. Is it right to send someone else's photo? Never. Is it ok for two sixteen year olds to have photos of each other? Maybe, even if I personally think it's a stupid idea that could potentially fuck them up should those photos be seen by other people.
I'm sure, as you say, it is an anomaly. But. The question being asked is whether someone, as a sex offender, deserves a second chance. And should this hypothetical teen who had a photo of themselves or their girlfriend/boyfriend be charged/considered as such, I don't think they should be in the same category as an adult viewing child porn.
I have heard that some of the worst abusers are those who were abused. I don't buy that as any excuse though. I can have some tolerance for someone who knew nothing else but abuse but nobody else gets a pass. Most people know damn well what they are doing.
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I'm not sure I agree with "most" people, but I have no doubt that there are many who do fall into that category.
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Who doesn't know?
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People who are cognitively or psychologically impaired may or may not. I'm no expert, but I think there is a possibility of this. I'm not saying it is the most prevalent, but that there would be some cases and these people may not have fucked up if they had had adequate support early on.