Do non americans..
They just came back with the verdict in the George Floyd/Chauvin case. Just curious if users from other parts of the world know much about the case or have feelings one way or the other?
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charli.m
He was clearly guilty right from the start. But he still got his chance in court. You know. Justice n shit.
Seems a foreign concept to too many Americans.
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LloydAsher
Clearly guilty from the start? The fuck? I believe in a fair trial and this was far from fair. INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY and it's hard to have a fair trial when their are rioters throughout the cities these jurors live in. If I was on the jury I would let it become a hung jury because there is REASONABLE DOUBT.
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Anonymous Post Author
First of all, Justice n shit needs to be a show on television. I would so watch.
Second, I thought it was plainly obvious he was guilty as well and I'm a dumb American.
Just wasn't sure how the case was being covered globally.
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litelander8
I was working. And caught the end of customers trying to follow verdict.
I will ALWAYS stand by the fact that first responders are NEVER paid enough. That being said. We’re hiring the bottom of the barrel. And cities are CONSTANTLY cutting funding.
No NORMAL person would do this job.
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LloydAsher
I dont get how people are seeing a disconnect of how a jury could be intimidated by the burning of their cities and that their faces have been shown to the public.
That is what I find disgusting about this case.
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LloydAsher
Functioning brains that told them that if they didnt vote guilty their house would burn down and their families would be at risk.
Do you see conservatives protesting this? Throwing bricks through random businesses and burning down shit? No. BLM does not give a fuck about anyone's lives currently because they have yet to set a coherent set of demands besides cause as much damage as possible with no goal that can be achieved through peaceful means.
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1234tellmethatyoulovememore
I'm an American, I knew he was always guilty, but there's still a massive chunk of our countrymen out there angry about this outcome, and it makes me sick to my stomach. The entire situation does.
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LloydAsher
You dont see a problem with a jury voting based on fear? He was INNOCENT until PROVEN GUILTY. People are mad because if the jurors had legitimate concerns that if they voted a different way they would be in direct harm from the mob.
As a libertarian I'm disgusted about your lack of care in basic western establishment court systems.
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my_life_my_way
I’m English and there was BLM protests all summer, it was the only thing on our news for a while. People were out there in London and Manchester rioting to defund the Minneapolis police department. It’s ridiculous, American social media culture has completely fucked English society and culture and skewed everything towards the far left. People in England shouldn’t be rioting over a dead criminal on another continent who got what he deserved
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[Old Memory]
Okay I agree with everything except the "got what he deserved". I'm also english and I know next to nothing about the case (tbh, i dont rly care), and I'm still kinda confused as to WHY THE FUCK you would riot from another continent. Heck, half of the world was rioting from some man.
He's not the first to die of police brutality. And he defietely wont be the last, so why does he have so much attention on him.Sus If you ask me…
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my_life_my_way
Fentanyl Floyd was a long term criminal, the more guys like that that get taken off the streets, the better
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pasta_father
I aint no floyd fan but dont knock fentanyl. That shits badass. It makes me cum way harder then my worthless wife
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my_life_my_way
Cops are supposed to kill criminals, that’s their job. No point having cops when they have no power, that’s why British police are so useless
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[Old Memory]
Yeah, cops are supposed to kill criminals. Criminals that are on DEATH ROW
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WilburSootisawesome
cops aren't supposed to kill criminals. Their job is to make criminals pay for their crimes, giving them a second chance. You are the type of sasistic and dumbass person to support death sentence and abort even in a rape
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[Old Memory]
That's how retarded the UK is. We have actual assaults on our rights but these trend following bitch-babies are too busy trying to shove their head up America's ass.
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darefu
I personally will be surprised if a lot of police don't quit and find other careers.
I personally if I was a police officer would refuse to interact with a person of a different racial background.
If I got called or put in the middle of a mixed race situation I would have to let them go or wait for another officer of same race to take action.
This jury was threatened and afraid.
The jury just gave permission for anyone that can possibly come up with racial or sexual differences to fight apprehension and hope the police does something that looks bad.
America's old west had and gangster days had this problem and a lot of other third world countries still do.
Good guys don't want to be police and it has little to do with pay. You get a call to handle something somebody else doesn't want to, or can't handle, something already out of control and you're supposed to gingerly tell the person to stop turn around let me put these cuff on then please get in the car. RIGHT,
If that was the case the shop owner would have told Floyd, sir I think this bill is counterfit, please have a seat until a counselor can come and explain your options or you can give me a good twenty and be on your way to be somebody else's problem.
Results you either let the crime/criminal go or go back to stop or I'll shoot..boom !I'll take my Spanish policia, at one time they were ruthless, but even today few people run or resist, however things are changing because of stuff like this in America.
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sillygirl77
I'd be surprised if nonAmericans didn't know while police brutality is common, normal, while disgusting against black ppl in the US this was just especially brutal torture imo and I'd imagine the news went worldwide
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pasta_father
George, george, george of the jungle... watch out for that knee!
I dont know. I aint no gay but somethin bout the video makes me hard. I cant place it
I dont like cops either though. I kinda wish they both died honestly. they should have settled there diffrences with an old fashion shoot off like in westerns
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ellnell
Yes its been very much talked about here in europe.
Some even made their own BLM-protests which is ridiculous considering our policeforce aren't even close to as violent as Americas so like, what are you protesting here exactly?Comment Hidden ( show )-
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LloydAsher
Its riots done by the "liberals" in our country. Only when conservatives protest can it be called a riot vs the blm "peaceful protests" that burn down buildings. Its total hipocrqcy and I am legitimately thinking of supporting our local militia because of this hardcore disconnect between our politicians and what the actual people want.
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RoseIsabella
I was hanging with my elderly parents, and they were watching this stuff all day. I'm satisfied with the verdict. Police forces need to do a better job of vetting their applicants!
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LloydAsher
You do that by FUNDING them. Defunding will only leave you with the shittiest cops or the ones that belive they have the responsibility to protect the community... theres specks of good cops right now but the bulk of the trained ones arent paid enough to have bricks thrown at them and then the DA or the politicians completely against them when they are under THEIR rule.
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charli.m
That's not what "defund the police" means. Granted, it's a dumbfuck slogan...but it's mostly only dumbfucks who don't do any research who don't know what it means by now.
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[Old Memory]
If it doesn't mean defunding which means less spending on resources and training to make policing easier what does it actually mean?
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charli.m
It means redirecting funds from militarisation of the police force to spending in preventantive treatments both by the police and in supplementary social programs.
I agree, it's a dumbfuck slogan that doesn't sound great unless you delve into it; but that also kinda highlights who isn't getting info from anything but their own bias.
Cos google makes it pretty easy.
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[Old Memory]
But that would still mean defunding the police force to allocate the funds to other groups to handle those specific issues/crimes, right? I hear that the whole "social worker" idea got kicked around. Would you not think it would be better if police had more funding to have better training and to increase the salary of police officers to make the gig a much more attractive life goal to better people?
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LloydAsher
If you call a movement defund the police and dont intend on defunding the police then that movement either has a shitty name or you dont understand the movement.
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charli.m
I already said it was a dumbshit name. But it's only dumbshits on both side who are incapable of anything but a knee jerk reaction who don't think for half a second and look into it.
No surprise which side you're on. "ARE YOU SUGGESTING BOOMERS WRE DRESSING AS THEIR FAVOURITE CHARACTERS???!!"
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LloydAsher
Its bullshit that the jury wasnt sheltered from outside sources. When maxine waters says to get confrontational when he doesnt get murder 1 that's jury rigging. As well as all other politicans and officials trying to shove politics into this case when it should be 100% objective.
What do these jurors face if they didnt say guilty? The internet already had their faces. They could of had their damn houses burned down with these riots.
If it isnt terrorism to commit violence to get your way in the legal system or the political world what is?!
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wigz
Why do you think the officer was not guilty? And, did you watch the whole trial?
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wigz
You could probably go to Fox News or the like to get the talking points directly from the source... but let's give him a chance to speak "his" mind. Heh heh.
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charli.m
Oh, I think he's not quite capable of understanding Fox. He usually misunderstands even their shit. Still has a freak out over it, though.
As long as he doesn't inexplicably start talking about overalls and boomers dressing up as their favourite characters (that...still has me baffled), it's a start.
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LloydAsher
Its within reasonable doubt that floyd could of died of something else besides the knee (which during the trial the defense and prosecution has shown that it wasnt for the entire 9 minutes)
The fact that floyd had a shit heart, and was on a bunch of drugs and was actively resisting (which it would of been in his right by the states own witness to use a taser which is an increase of force), saying he couldn't breathe beforehand. Theres a ton of evidence to provide reasonable doubt that his death was caused by something or additionally to chauvins knee.What I'm SAYING is the people who just wanted to throw away the key without fair trial is mob fucking justice and that isnt ok. It's not a fair trial if the jurors have a legitimate threat of violence if they dont vote in the mobs favor which now can be taken to the appeals court to overturn the verdict. I dont care about the guilty verdict in of itself I care about the jurors voting guilty out of FEAR.
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wigz
-Floyd was already handcuffed when Chauvin arrived
-Chauvin kneeled on Floyd's neck for 9 minutes, on video
-again, there's literally a video of this man being killed
-2 separate autopsies determined the death a homicide
-officers from his own department testified that Chauvin was using an inappropriate hold
-the city of Minneapolis city council unanimously voted to award the family of George Floyd $27 million in a wrongful death suitYet somehow you think the jury totally would've voted "not guilty" if not for some "boogeyman" out there to get them unless they voted "guilty"? For fucks sake, the mental gymnastics...and no surprise, you're just parroting what the right-wing rags are telling you to believe.
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S0UNDS_WEIRD
Bruh he kept his knee on Floyd's neck for like 10 years after he visibly died and he didn't get up until paramedics told him to.
I went into that video expecting to have the opinion "he shouldn't have resisted but he didn't deserve to die" and instead I saw a man who had clearly stopped resisting continue to have a knee applied to him for ages after not just ceasing to resist but after ceasing to breathe. It was a cold blooded murder, not even typical police brutality. He straight up murdered him.
Premeditation is the only thing that could have made it worse. He didn't wake up that morning thinking "I'm going to kill someone today" but he continued to apply that knee thinking "I'm going to kill him". He enjoyed the feeling so much that he couldn't stop himself, likely even knowing he'd ultimately go to prison. One bystander said it best: "Look at him. He's _enjoying_ it."
That's why his wife divorced him immediately. She had the same reaction most people do when they're confronted with the fact that they've been living with a monster they don't know, like when spouses are suddenly informed they're married to a serial killer.
An MMA fighter just happened to be present, saw Floyd was in a blood chokehold, and even informed him that he was killing him. Even if we discount the obvious, that the knee killed him, Chauvin would still be the guy who continued to apply the knee to an obviously dying man who clearly wasn't resisting if even so much as able to resist.
He received the appropriate charges.
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LloydAsher
I honestly do not care about the verdict because of the facts. What I do care for is that this wasnt done purely on the facts, but rather media bias and political intimidation of the case. If it was done in a sheltered way where the media had zero presence in the courtroom and the jurors were completely anonymous I would agree whole heartedly with the verdict.
Since it wasnt done in that way there was a considerable risk to the jurors if they were in a hung jury or voted to vote not guilty. One of the jurors cities was lit on fire. Now are you asking what could possibly sway the jury into the guilty verdict other than objective fact? Fear! Fear of getting violence on their doorstep from a pissed off mob.
This was not a fair trial. The jurors should of been in a complete blackout over the course of the case. That's what I'm saying is fucked up about this. I dont care for the officer I care about the safety of the jurors and their verdict is suspect because of the outside events that could sway them.
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S0UNDS_WEIRD
"Since it wasnt done in that way there was a considerable risk to the jurors if they were in a hung jury or voted to vote not guilty."
This would be more relevant if there was a snowball's chance in Hell that any member of an unbiased, blind jury would vote anything besides "guilty". What happened is on video. What you're saying is akin to suggesting that a blind jury might suggest no airplanes struck the WTCs if they had no prior knowledge of 9/11. The footage speaks for itself.
Besides, we can only be so perfect. News got around. That happened. That's the reality. What are we supposed to do, not have a trial? It was global news.
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raisinbran
Regardless of color it's a tragedy a cop was jailed for killing a piece of trash.
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Ummitsstillme
Just a minor hiccup in the Russian plot to instigate race wars in the States.
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