No. You’re wrong. Guns are way more effective and quick at killing. A psycho can mow down hundreds in seconds with a gun. A psycho with a knife couldn’t do nearly as much harm before being apprehended. So your point does not hold up at all.
But again it is way more difficult to get a bomb than a gun. The USA is a gun culture. Millions own a gun. Millions do not have the capability to build a bomb so your point is invalid.
FYI - An analysis of the Global Terrorism Database by researchers at the University of Maryland published in 2017 shows a “sharp increase” in the share of attacks by right-wing extremists, from 6% in the 2000s to 35% in the 2010s. The share of attacks by religious extremists also increased, from 9% to 53% between the two decades.
Meanwhile, the share of attacks by left-wing terrorists and environmentalist extremists dropped from 64% in the 2000s to 12% in the 2010s.
Researchers point out that many recent attacks on US soil are carried out by individuals without any strong links to a terrorist organization—known popularly as “lone wolves.”
The study defines “right-wing extremism” as “violence in support of the belief that personal and/or national way of life is under attack and is either already lost or that the threat is imminent,” including anti-globalism, white supremacy, nationalism, suspicion of the government, and beliefs in conspiracies.
An analysis by Quartz of the same Global Terrorism Database confirmed that the trend persisted in 2017, when most attacks in the US were committed by right-wing extremists. Out of 65 incidents last year, 37 were tied to racist, anti-Muslim, homophobic, anti-Semitic, fascist, anti-government, or xenophobic motivations.
That list includes an attack by neo-Nazi extremist James Fields against a crowd of counter-protestors in Charlottesville, which left one person dead. It also includes attacks against a gay bar in Puerto Rico, mosques in Washington, Texas, and Florida, and a vehicle decorated with Jewish iconography in New York.
In the same period, seven attacks were linked to Islamic extremists, and 11 attacks were inspired by left-leaning ideologies.
That right-wing activity is fueling a surge in terrorism in the US. Overall, the US had only six attacks a decade ago, but 65 in 2017. The number of fatalities is also increasing, in contrast to a global decrease in terror attacks.
Criminals will get guns whether it's legal or not. And I believe in the right to defend oneself. School shootings kill a lot less kids than fucking car crashes so why don't we regulate that first? American schools are suuuuuper safe.
You have a siege mentality. A defensive and paranoid attitude that others are hostile and you need a gun to protect yourself. When millions of people walk around armed in such an environment its just a disaster waiting to happen.
In the USA there were 434 mass shootings in 2019. This averaged 1.19 mass shootings per day. In these shootings, 1,643 people were injured and 517 died, for a total of 2,160 victims. On top of this there are 22000 gun suicides every year. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mass_shootings_in_the_United_States_in_2019
If you cannot see the link between guns and violence you are delusional. No other way to put it. Its a self perpetuating and reinforcing cycle of violence. Where I live there was not a single shooting in 2019 because the large majority of people do not have guns and do not live with a siege mentality. Many other countries are gun violence free. Look outside the toxic bubble you are living in.
Criminals will always have weapons but they are a minority. The more people who drop the weapons the safer your community will be. I would rather be dead than live in such a state of fear. For you its just normal. The USA goes on and on about freedom. The way you live is not free.
As far as car related deaths go, thats another issue and there is no reason why more than one issue cannot be worked on simultaneously. You seem to be saying that because there is issue B therefore issue A cannot be looked at. Its a fallacy. Just really a deflection away from the problem being discussed ie gun violence.
I think it's more defensive and paranoid to rid people of their firearms because you fear that they will kill you. Regardless, it's not the wild west, the vast majority of legal firearm owners do not commit crimes.
Sure, there's a connection between crime and firearms because firearms are the current meta, without firearms there would be a new meta but we both know criminals aren't going to just not have guns if legal owners don't.
Where I live we don't have guns (other than farmers) but our knife crime is through the roof, even beating New York's murder rate for a period of time. If your view here is that you're safe from crime just because guns aren't a part of that crime then you're mistaken.
Criminals will always have guns and they're the minority. With your view on this you're instantly taking away the guns of people that wouldn't harm you and giving criminals that would hurt you a far less risk factor for committing a crime. Not only this but I can't help but feel like you're ignoring people that live in rural areas. Do you know how long they'd have to wait for cops to arrive at their area to stop a crime? Too long, the criminal will be long gone. Throw that dude a gun and his rural area home isn't so easy-pickin's.
The reason why bringing cars into this topic is important is because it tests your principles on the topic. If you're willing to take away the property of law-abiding citizens to prevent deaths then you also have to be willing to give up what you have if it also prevents deaths, otherwise it exposes your principles on the topic as weak.
I gave you an example of a country that doesn't have guns like the US yet have a high murder rates with other means. I literally already addressed your reply within my initial reply you replied to.
If you awoke to a government official knocking at your door, what would your HONEST first thought be??? Fear, fuck, shit?? Or hey they came for a cup of joe?
You watch Tim pool? Great independent reporter. Liberal libertarian. Milquetoast fence sitter. I like watching him freakout when the democrats do something stupid (often).
Do most Democrats hate America?
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Haha great breakdown buddy. I agree 100%! The left is shooting themselves in the foot by becoming to extreme.
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And the right are allowing the of shooting their own kids because they prefer to have guns than safety for children.
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In europe they do it with machetes, bombs, acid. The problem is the violence not the method.
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No. You’re wrong. Guns are way more effective and quick at killing. A psycho can mow down hundreds in seconds with a gun. A psycho with a knife couldn’t do nearly as much harm before being apprehended. So your point does not hold up at all.
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But again it is way more difficult to get a bomb than a gun. The USA is a gun culture. Millions own a gun. Millions do not have the capability to build a bomb so your point is invalid.
FYI - An analysis of the Global Terrorism Database by researchers at the University of Maryland published in 2017 shows a “sharp increase” in the share of attacks by right-wing extremists, from 6% in the 2000s to 35% in the 2010s. The share of attacks by religious extremists also increased, from 9% to 53% between the two decades.
Meanwhile, the share of attacks by left-wing terrorists and environmentalist extremists dropped from 64% in the 2000s to 12% in the 2010s.
Researchers point out that many recent attacks on US soil are carried out by individuals without any strong links to a terrorist organization—known popularly as “lone wolves.”
The study defines “right-wing extremism” as “violence in support of the belief that personal and/or national way of life is under attack and is either already lost or that the threat is imminent,” including anti-globalism, white supremacy, nationalism, suspicion of the government, and beliefs in conspiracies.
An analysis by Quartz of the same Global Terrorism Database confirmed that the trend persisted in 2017, when most attacks in the US were committed by right-wing extremists. Out of 65 incidents last year, 37 were tied to racist, anti-Muslim, homophobic, anti-Semitic, fascist, anti-government, or xenophobic motivations.
That list includes an attack by neo-Nazi extremist James Fields against a crowd of counter-protestors in Charlottesville, which left one person dead. It also includes attacks against a gay bar in Puerto Rico, mosques in Washington, Texas, and Florida, and a vehicle decorated with Jewish iconography in New York.
In the same period, seven attacks were linked to Islamic extremists, and 11 attacks were inspired by left-leaning ideologies.
That right-wing activity is fueling a surge in terrorism in the US. Overall, the US had only six attacks a decade ago, but 65 in 2017. The number of fatalities is also increasing, in contrast to a global decrease in terror attacks.
Criminals will get guns whether it's legal or not. And I believe in the right to defend oneself. School shootings kill a lot less kids than fucking car crashes so why don't we regulate that first? American schools are suuuuuper safe.
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You have a siege mentality. A defensive and paranoid attitude that others are hostile and you need a gun to protect yourself. When millions of people walk around armed in such an environment its just a disaster waiting to happen.
In the USA there were 434 mass shootings in 2019. This averaged 1.19 mass shootings per day. In these shootings, 1,643 people were injured and 517 died, for a total of 2,160 victims. On top of this there are 22000 gun suicides every year. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mass_shootings_in_the_United_States_in_2019
If you cannot see the link between guns and violence you are delusional. No other way to put it. Its a self perpetuating and reinforcing cycle of violence. Where I live there was not a single shooting in 2019 because the large majority of people do not have guns and do not live with a siege mentality. Many other countries are gun violence free. Look outside the toxic bubble you are living in.
Criminals will always have weapons but they are a minority. The more people who drop the weapons the safer your community will be. I would rather be dead than live in such a state of fear. For you its just normal. The USA goes on and on about freedom. The way you live is not free.
As far as car related deaths go, thats another issue and there is no reason why more than one issue cannot be worked on simultaneously. You seem to be saying that because there is issue B therefore issue A cannot be looked at. Its a fallacy. Just really a deflection away from the problem being discussed ie gun violence.
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I think it's more defensive and paranoid to rid people of their firearms because you fear that they will kill you. Regardless, it's not the wild west, the vast majority of legal firearm owners do not commit crimes.
Sure, there's a connection between crime and firearms because firearms are the current meta, without firearms there would be a new meta but we both know criminals aren't going to just not have guns if legal owners don't.
Where I live we don't have guns (other than farmers) but our knife crime is through the roof, even beating New York's murder rate for a period of time. If your view here is that you're safe from crime just because guns aren't a part of that crime then you're mistaken.
Criminals will always have guns and they're the minority. With your view on this you're instantly taking away the guns of people that wouldn't harm you and giving criminals that would hurt you a far less risk factor for committing a crime. Not only this but I can't help but feel like you're ignoring people that live in rural areas. Do you know how long they'd have to wait for cops to arrive at their area to stop a crime? Too long, the criminal will be long gone. Throw that dude a gun and his rural area home isn't so easy-pickin's.
The reason why bringing cars into this topic is important is because it tests your principles on the topic. If you're willing to take away the property of law-abiding citizens to prevent deaths then you also have to be willing to give up what you have if it also prevents deaths, otherwise it exposes your principles on the topic as weak.
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Great well yall just keep killing each other inside your insane toxic nightmare and we will all watch on from our nice safe countries. Have fun.
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I gave you an example of a country that doesn't have guns like the US yet have a high murder rates with other means. I literally already addressed your reply within my initial reply you replied to.
Right because the government will protect you.
If you awoke to a government official knocking at your door, what would your HONEST first thought be??? Fear, fuck, shit?? Or hey they came for a cup of joe?
Problem is that conservitives know what is too far right. Unfortunately the left doesnt have a leash on what they consider too far left.
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Haha someone gets their information from the same places I do.
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You watch Tim pool? Great independent reporter. Liberal libertarian. Milquetoast fence sitter. I like watching him freakout when the democrats do something stupid (often).
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Nope. Crowder. Not much anymore though I have kinda gotten bored of politics.
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Ceowder is a given. You need a mixed salad of voices. So you can truly pick out the crazies.
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I think their all crazies though.