ding an sich vs. cogito ergo sum

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  • flutterhigh
    11 years ago | pl

    But "exist", "happening", and "real" are pretty much the same words, and there's no concrete substance in any of them. You're saying "reality exists because it exists, even if I don't know it exists." I'm trying to ask how we can so easily assume any of that. How do you know these things are happening? How do you know Somalia exists?

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    • bananaface
      11 years ago | pl

      People in Somalia could think the same thing about us.

      But I have no idea where Somalia is or any knowledge, so in my perception of reality it doesn't exist; if I visit it in 5 years and see that it exists then it becomes a part of my version of reality. But it was obviously there before I visited it.

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      • flutterhigh
        11 years ago | pl

        But you're doing it again - "see that it exists", "obviously there". What part of it is obvious? Does seeing something prove it exists? If I see a ghost, does it exist?

        I'm trying to argue that sensory phenomena does not necessarily equal reality; you are assuming that it does and using that as proof. "Reality is definite because I can see it" isn't a rational argument to me.

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        • bananaface
          11 years ago | pl

          I see what you mean, and know I'm confused about what to believeD:!! Especially with the ghost thing. Have you decided what you believe yet? I won't be able to help with this one:L

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