There are lots of types of pain. The cutaneous receptors are not fully developed at birth. That is a medical fact. I'm not talking about anything else, just the cutaneous receptors, which would include the foreskin, I assume.
Indeed. But that's not what you said in your initial comment, and I very much doubt cutting anything off a baby is painless, no matter whether they are newly born or several months old.
Shall I find you a video of baby crying in pain as he is circumcised? I can't say I've ever searched for one, but I'm certain I'll find something.
And how are you going to differentiate if the baby is crying from pain or fear? Come on, please think a little.
Don't give me any more grief. Go heap it on the medical profession. I'm just passing on information. I'm not responsible for the research.
Oh, for crying out loud. Way to change the subject. Can't argue against medical fact so now you are on to fear? Really, you do not have a very analytical mind. Are you artistically inclined?
Again, I passed on medical fact, not a stupif(sic) comment.
"The present understanding of pain in babies is largely due to the recognition that the fetal and newborn unmyelinated nerve fibres are capable of relaying information, albeit slower than would be the case with myelinated fibres. At birth a baby has developed the neural pathways for nociception and for experiencing pain, but the pain responses are an immature version of that of an adult." (Anand KJS, 1987), (Anand KJ, 2006)
tldr; babies feel pain but not in the exact same way adults do.
Gypsy's probably mislead by some common misconceptions back from the late nineteenth century, when doctors were taught that babies don't feel pain and it's 100% okay to operate on them without anesthesia.
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Anand KJS, Hickey PR (1987). "Pain and its effects in the human neonate and fetus.". The New England Journal Of Medicine 317 (21): 1321–1329.
Anand KJ, et al. (2006). "Summary Proceedings From the Neonatal Pain-Control Group.". Pediatrics 117 (3): 9–22. doi:10.1542/peds.2005-0620C.
Could you provide a source for the cutaneous receptors not being fully developed at birth? I think you might be getting babies confused with tests on lab rats or something.
"The cutaneous sensory receptors are functional before birth; all will be actively stimulated before birth by the foetus's environment and its movement." - M. Grunwald, Human Haptic Perception: Basics and Application, pg 154.
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There are lots of types of pain. The cutaneous receptors are not fully developed at birth. That is a medical fact. I'm not talking about anything else, just the cutaneous receptors, which would include the foreskin, I assume.
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Indeed. But that's not what you said in your initial comment, and I very much doubt cutting anything off a baby is painless, no matter whether they are newly born or several months old.
Shall I find you a video of baby crying in pain as he is circumcised? I can't say I've ever searched for one, but I'm certain I'll find something.
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And how are you going to differentiate if the baby is crying from pain or fear? Come on, please think a little.
Don't give me any more grief. Go heap it on the medical profession. I'm just passing on information. I'm not responsible for the research.
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Seriously? I think you should take your own advice there, princess.
Or are you now saying fear is acceptable to inflict on a small baby?
Don't give you grief? I'm not the one who made you write a stupif comment, I just called you out on it.
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Oh, for crying out loud. Way to change the subject. Can't argue against medical fact so now you are on to fear? Really, you do not have a very analytical mind. Are you artistically inclined?
Again, I passed on medical fact, not a stupif(sic) comment.
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....you brought up fear, cupcake. Don't blame me for what you say.
Picking on typos is sad. Also, interesting how you're allowed to make insulting ppersonalcomments about people, but anything against you is unfair.
Show us proof of this "fact". You still havent done that, so I don't have anything to "argue" against.
Interesting how I'm the only one you're having a go at for calling you out, by the way.
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I did a quick search.
"The present understanding of pain in babies is largely due to the recognition that the fetal and newborn unmyelinated nerve fibres are capable of relaying information, albeit slower than would be the case with myelinated fibres. At birth a baby has developed the neural pathways for nociception and for experiencing pain, but the pain responses are an immature version of that of an adult." (Anand KJS, 1987), (Anand KJ, 2006)
tldr; babies feel pain but not in the exact same way adults do.
Gypsy's probably mislead by some common misconceptions back from the late nineteenth century, when doctors were taught that babies don't feel pain and it's 100% okay to operate on them without anesthesia.
Source:
Anand KJS, Hickey PR (1987). "Pain and its effects in the human neonate and fetus.". The New England Journal Of Medicine 317 (21): 1321–1329.
Anand KJ, et al. (2006). "Summary Proceedings From the Neonatal Pain-Control Group.". Pediatrics 117 (3): 9–22. doi:10.1542/peds.2005-0620C.
Suit yourself, stick to your mutilated dicks.
Could you provide a source for the cutaneous receptors not being fully developed at birth? I think you might be getting babies confused with tests on lab rats or something.
"The cutaneous sensory receptors are functional before birth; all will be actively stimulated before birth by the foetus's environment and its movement." - M. Grunwald, Human Haptic Perception: Basics and Application, pg 154.