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Do you think it's possible for someone to disagree with gay marriage, but not be a homophobe?
With this while Chick-fil-A business, the people involved with protesting the company seem to believe that by not supporting gay marriage and don't agree with it, it means that the company (specifically the CEO) hates gays.
So I got to thinking- is possible to have no issue with gays, but not support gay marriage because of your religious beliefs?
But marriage really doesn't mean that much anymore. I don't see why a lot of people make marriage nowadays like it's such a big deal, when really, it isn't. A lot of people don't even get married anymore- so what's the big deal? The only difference is that there's a piece of paper saying you're together.
The separation of church and state is a form of denying someone's rights based on the state's belief system. Therefore, this is as hypocritical because the state will probably have more power over the church in the sense that the state has its own laws which still affect those of the church. One cannot be without the other.
Actually the argument was that marriage was a particular religions custom. So it was said that you are in fact dictating how that persons individuals religion is ran. So that is not separation of church and state. However since marriage has been taken over by the government it is now infringing on the rights of none religious people. So saying yes or no is both against the constitution but the argument was that government should not have any involvement in it to begin with. Though given the divorce rate I dont see why anyone straight or gay wants to get married now a day. Its a bunch of bull. Marriage died the day King henry added divorce.
Religious people don't hate the sinners, they hate the sin being performed. God has told us to love one another.
Being homosexual is wrong in religious terms because God did not create two people of the same gender to form a holy matrimony. He created a man and a woman. As a result of carrying out God's wishes, those who are religious look down upon those who go against God's intensions.
Therefore, those who consider themselves religious will care about gay marriage because in their view it is wrong. BUT, this doesn't make the religious hate gays. It makes them hate the fact that the gays are downgrading the true purpose of marriage.
Oh God, THEM. Fuck those guys. Real Christians don't picket the funerals of marines and say that they don't like racism but are okay with saying hateful things toward Jews and homosexuals. True Christians are like what Marisol said above- they hate the sin, not the sinner. True Christians don't go spouting off stupid shit like "Death Penalty 4 Fags" and "God Hates Fags".
I don't even consider them a real religious group- they're more of a cult than anything else. Actually, they're a cult AND a hate group. Seriously, fuck those guys at the Westboro Baptist Church.
Completely depends. If you believe in tradition and religion, then you can think this without hating gays. Marriage was tied in with religion, and if a certain type of person is trying to unite with eachother in a way that was made by the groups (religion) that don't agree with the type of people they are (homosexuals) then not agreeing with it is understandable.
Marriage obviously has gone past religion, though. I think it's understandable if someone with certain religious beliefs don't agree with. Why not just make a completely different type of uniting just for homosexuals with the same things as marriage? That way it doesn't go against some peoples beleifs?
This.
I couldn't have explained it better.
@ OP, in religious groups, marriage isn't thought of as a simple "civil right" or a peace of paper that gives people certain privileges over each other the way many proponents of gay marriage make it sound.
Marriage is the embodiment of the traditional family. It is the Mother and Father raising their kids with traditional values such as respect for one's elders and respect for education etc. and many members of religious groups don't feel that two men or two women can provide the same, normal, stable foundation for life as a man and a woman can. And anyone who buys into the way gay couples are portrayed in the media may have stronger feelings about this ability to provide normality.
Most of the time, it is not about hate. It is about principle and the members of these churches seeing gay marriage as the straw that will break the camels back. They see traditional families being forsaken to pleasure, spending, debt, and the selfish whims of the parents, children being born out of wedlock to young Mothers whom will never have Fathers or normal upbringings and being raised in broken homes, and many of them feel that when gays are allowed to have what straight people have, all hope for returning the family back to it's traditional unit and it's state of health and happiness will be another step closer to being lost.
I'm not saying that I agree with this, but when making a solid decision in an argument, I try to learn both sides and well, here's the other side. I have to say, I wish families in our country would reunite and see that their children are more important than their own personal desires, but I don't think banning gay marriage will harm the state of families in our country any more than other factors have.
I honestly think it's more of a matter of religious groups wanting to return to the nuclear family, as this is what they see as the correct way to conduct a family and they are unwilling to believe that any other way works because, well, most other ways don't work as well, gay unions excluded. I feel that, over time, gay marriage will become legal and gay families will prosper enough to show people that it's not as bad as it sounds.
That and if you read the Bible, Sodom and Gimmorah. Many Christians thinks that allowing gay marriage and lawlessness will end us up like them, mainly because they don't understand the difference between the old Testament covenants and the New Testament covenants. I'd say that's pure stubbornness if anything.
Ah, I probably should have mentioned the religious stuff in my post.
In my own personal opinion, while I'm mostly neutral to the whole gay marriage issue, I think the only logical reason to be against is because of religious reasons.
And yet, people still call the CEO of Chick-fil-A homophobic, and a hater of gays, even though he stated he's against gay marriage for religious reasons. I don't know, I just feel like it's hypocritical because this man is merely stating his religious beliefs- and the concept of freedom of religion is stated in the constitution- and he's completely despised for it. It just rubs me the wrong way.
When people say that the don't have a problem with gays but gay marriage, i feel like they're lying to themselves. At it's core it is anti-gay.
So saying a gay couples are allowed to fall in love and be devoted to each other but they can never have the benefits of a straight couple. Let's face it, marriage is an institution. If someone was anti gay marriage (but tolerant) how would they explain why gays can't have the benefits of a straight couple? Why are these rights excluded? Aren't they human?
Opposing gay marriage, being homophobic and hating gays are three separate things. Although obviously with a big overlap.
Actually, I think alot of people oppose same sex marriage just because they're afraid of change. That's not a very good reason, to be sure, but I don't think it's specifically homophobic or hateful.
Hehe I was daydreaming one day and had this thought. I was talking to this girl at work who is gay and she asked me if I agreed with gay marriage. I said no (In my daydream I was religious) then she asked "Why??" I then told her I support gay marriage but don't believe in it myself.