This is a good answer until the end. You cannot, ever, try to disprove the existence of something. That's not how it works. This isn't exclusive to whatever god somebody wants to believe in, this is a universal fact of life. Anything, anywhere, ever, can only be proven to exist. Nonexistence cannot be proven.
Take, for example, the spider in the bathtub. If it's there, you can prove it's there by looking at it. But if it's not, how can you prove that? You could be overlooking it, it could be blending in with a mildew stain, it could be moving around as you're looking in different spots.
Of course, gods are a bit different, as there is no proof of their existence. It is simply a personal belief.
Thank you. It's infuriating trying to explain to an atheist, who clings to science as their soul point, how empirical science works. The idea that nothing can exist until it's proven to exist means, simply, nothing can exist. Empirical science proves the validity of a hypothesis through perceived evidence.
Thanks for the heads up. But I actually do think the Christian God is rather falsifiable as gods go. Forgive me for standing on my soapbox. This has to do with he very 'involved' nature of this God with human beings, and the way it's documented across more than thousand years in history through multiple different civilizations, with the places, times, year and witnesses present and authors often mentioned in those parts of the Bible that are expressly written as historical accounts. Coming from the Greco-Roman world in the case of the New Testament, parts of the Bible are not really that old relatively speaking, and there is a fair amount of other literature from the period with which to corroborate it. In this respect it's empirical enough to be subject to historical scrutiny, in a way that is perhaps harder with the Qur'an, or the Bhagavad Gita, which don't document their narratives in the same way.
The documentation spreads outside the 'sacred' Christian writing to people of other religions who witnessed or heard of it. I think someone could actually go so far as to try to intellectually prove or disprove the Christian God if they managed to disprove or defend the documentation surrounding his actions among human beings. To a certain extent anyway - I knew a Christian historian very well. When the evidence for both sides is out on the table, at the end of the day it boils down to what you decide is most plausible. What you decide to trust always ultimately comes down to a personal commitment - but I'd like to make the point that it doesn't need to be completely blind.
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This is a good answer until the end. You cannot, ever, try to disprove the existence of something. That's not how it works. This isn't exclusive to whatever god somebody wants to believe in, this is a universal fact of life. Anything, anywhere, ever, can only be proven to exist. Nonexistence cannot be proven.
Take, for example, the spider in the bathtub. If it's there, you can prove it's there by looking at it. But if it's not, how can you prove that? You could be overlooking it, it could be blending in with a mildew stain, it could be moving around as you're looking in different spots.
Of course, gods are a bit different, as there is no proof of their existence. It is simply a personal belief.
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Thank you. It's infuriating trying to explain to an atheist, who clings to science as their soul point, how empirical science works. The idea that nothing can exist until it's proven to exist means, simply, nothing can exist. Empirical science proves the validity of a hypothesis through perceived evidence.
Thanks for the heads up. But I actually do think the Christian God is rather falsifiable as gods go. Forgive me for standing on my soapbox. This has to do with he very 'involved' nature of this God with human beings, and the way it's documented across more than thousand years in history through multiple different civilizations, with the places, times, year and witnesses present and authors often mentioned in those parts of the Bible that are expressly written as historical accounts. Coming from the Greco-Roman world in the case of the New Testament, parts of the Bible are not really that old relatively speaking, and there is a fair amount of other literature from the period with which to corroborate it. In this respect it's empirical enough to be subject to historical scrutiny, in a way that is perhaps harder with the Qur'an, or the Bhagavad Gita, which don't document their narratives in the same way.
The documentation spreads outside the 'sacred' Christian writing to people of other religions who witnessed or heard of it. I think someone could actually go so far as to try to intellectually prove or disprove the Christian God if they managed to disprove or defend the documentation surrounding his actions among human beings. To a certain extent anyway - I knew a Christian historian very well. When the evidence for both sides is out on the table, at the end of the day it boils down to what you decide is most plausible. What you decide to trust always ultimately comes down to a personal commitment - but I'd like to make the point that it doesn't need to be completely blind.