Automatic death sentences?

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If police shoot an escaping terror suspect at the scene of a crime and kill him/her, does that constitue a kind of automatic death penalty without a trial? How do they get around the suspect's right to due process? And, what kind of evidence do they need that the fleeing person is in fact a terrorist? It's not like they can search the person or check his/her ID...

It seems to me that this is particularly problematic if your country's justice system operates by the principle of 'innocent until proven guilty'.

How would you explain how/why this is allowed?

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CozmoWank

4 years ago

So don't run. Stand and cooperate.

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[Old Memory]

4 years ago

It's seen as accidental death. Their not trying to kill you! They are trying to stop you! If you die it's your own fault.

Dude has a problem with white law but thinks its ok to stone women to death and wear strap on bombs to kill children.

I honestly believe we need to have your entire race eliminated for our own protection. Stupid sand maggots

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- Anonymous Post Author
  
  4 years ago
  
  There would be a lot fewer white Europeans in that case... I'm white, female and from Western Europe.
  
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  - [Old Memory]
    
    4 years ago
    
    You imply
    
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      4 years ago
      
      What do I imply?
      
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TerriAngel

4 years ago

There is ZERO explanation for the police actions in the U.S.
FACT: they roll up on a black child with a toy gun.
shoot him.
The cop that shot him was kicked out of the military, as a unstable.
He was fired from his last police job as being dangerous around guns.
Yet, hes hired.
kills a black child.
But walks away free.
DONT EXCUSE THIS CRAP.

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- litelander8
  
  4 years ago
  
  That's sad you feel that way. Cops have to make the decision based on public safety and their own. Making the call to shoot ANYONE is never easy and scars the fuck out of them. If you have a problem with the cops, the real problem is the city with lack of funding which then gets shitty applicants and shit training.
  
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  - curious-bunny
    
    4 years ago
    
    Exactly. I find most who are all hateful on the police are generally the ones who break the law. I've never broken the law and the police have always been kind to me
    
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  - TerriAngel
    
    4 years ago
    
    Youre sorry I feel this way?
    Dippy.
    This has absolutelty
    NOTHING to do with me, or my
    " feelings "
    Facts.
    You have trigger happy, and power hungry, often openly racist cops KILLING, or setting up young black, latino, or if he has a set of balls White men.
    Youre sorry I feel this way?
    This isnt about feelings.
    Dig your head out.
    One word...
    Trevon.
    If you dont know, go axe somebody.
    
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    - litelander8
      
      4 years ago
      
      Wow. I do feel sorry. More so, now. Apply for the job and see what you're up against. What a fucking shame that you'd compare that situation, and others like it, to all of them. Shame on you.
      
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      - TerriAngel
        
        4 years ago
        
        Theres a mexican saying.
        I cant remember how it gos.
        But it translates as this:
        " you are not worth the saliva it would take to speak to you. "
        As a cop.
        Id mess you up.
        I wouldnt be the cop hiding like a perv setting up a speed trap on some lonely road.
        I wouldnt be the cop that asks stupid, and technicly illeagal questions.
        Id be the cop that stops to help someone with a flat tire.
        Id be the cop that nails you for cutting in front of someone, no signal in heavy traffic. Weaving around, speeding/slowing.
        Because youre texting.
        trust me, you dont want me as a cop.
        Im 1/2 German.
        
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        litelander8
        
        4 years ago
        
        What the fuck does that have to do with anything? Get real dude.
        
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- GaelicPotato
  
  4 years ago
  
  Kid was carrying an Uzi and shot the cop in the foot.
  
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  - TerriAngel
    
    4 years ago
    
    Your'e really that un-informed?
    Do yourself a favor.
    remain silent.
    We may suspect you of being a fool, but reserve judgement.
    You open your mouth though.
    It removes all dought.
    
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    - Anonymous Post Author
      
      4 years ago
      
      Could you please stop insulting people's character/intelligence for the opinions they hold? Writing in the form of poetry doesn't make you immune to censure.
      
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      - TerriAngel
        
        4 years ago
        
        Fair enough, and I dont write poetry.
        The incident I refer to was young ( under 10 )
        Year old black kid playing with a TOY gun at the playground.
        A cop pulled up.
        He had been kicked out of the army in basic training.
        ( unstable ) Then became a cop, and was fired.
        Unstable, should not be around guns.
        He was newly hired.
        Rolled up on the black child and 2 seconds later shot him.
        Thats not poetry.
        Thats reality.
        UZI?
        No. It was a TOY GUN.
        available at any TOY store.
        
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        GaelicPotato
        
        4 years ago
        
        No it was an Uzi. Kid was clearly a criminal out for a gang shooting.
        
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- LeBoomer
  
  4 years ago
  
  I'll always respect the boys in Blue! Go Patriots!
  
  -Dale, sent from my iPhone.
  
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  - TerriAngel
    
    4 years ago
    
    Youre a special kinda ________!
    Wont say it, Im being nice.
    that short bus was funny looking to the rest of us.
    
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Mrown

4 years ago

Where I live police can't shoot someone who's not a threat, so if a suspect is fleeing (and not doing anything visibly dangerous to people around or policemen that chase them), then the situation you described shouldn't happen in the first place

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brutus

4 years ago

The justice system has its loopholes, in a high risk situation they can probably shoot a person dead(whether terrorist or innocent).

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Doesnormalmatter

4 years ago

I don't know to bw perfectly honest. But I wouldn't be surprised if the systems flawed.

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RoseIsabella

4 years ago

I think terrorists should be shot with bullets that have been dipped in pig blood.

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- Doesnormalmatter
  
  4 years ago
  
  I think just regular bullets would do.
  
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  - RoseIsabella
    
    4 years ago
    
    Yeah, but the pig blood makes it special.
    
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    - Doesnormalmatter
      
      4 years ago
      
      Buy why not the blood of something else? Also that could spread an infection or something.
      
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      - RoseIsabella
        
        4 years ago
        
        Nope, it must be the blood of swine!
        
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        McBean
        
        4 years ago
        
        Hmmmmm. Some people say it's the thought that counts. But, the mathematical thought that gives deadly accuracy really counts. Perhaps the pigs blood could be sprinkled on after the threat is neutralized.
        
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        4 years ago
        
        To whom would it spread infection, dead terrorists?
        
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        Doesnormalmatter
        
        4 years ago
        
        Why you commenting back on this from 15 days ago? Whoever handled and or loaded the gun would be at risk of infection.
        
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bigbudchonga

4 years ago

Caught Red Handed. You do actually have a valid point, and it's quite an interesting dilemma you pose. I would say systems often have to have some leeway in order to compensate ideals with reality. If you have someone who's actively running round with a gun, shooting people, then you have to eliminate the threat. Or, if they're retreating into hiding, when they've just done so, then you also have to eliminate the threat from striking again.

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Ummitsstillme

4 years ago

It must be really hard for good cops to go in to absolute murder zones communities and be expected to act like a saint 100% of the time.

Cops that help communities that are dog shit are saints. Soldiers that try to fix awful middle eastern situations are saints as well. Don't hold loving heroes to the standards of your monster gang members and terrorist ideals and cry when human Angel's slight off of moral perfection as flawes. Please.

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NoLifer

4 years ago

You clearly do not understand how this process works or how cops are trained. They have a right to shoot in instances where you are creating a hazard to the cop themselves or others. It doesn't mean its an execution dummy. Exucution means you were put on trail, found guilty and put to death by the Goverment and justice system. Not you were a dangerous person they could not retain. This only doesn't make sense becuase you have no clue how cops operate.

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- Anonymous Post Author
  
  4 years ago
  
  I wasn't pretending I did have a clue...
  
  Is that a crime?
  
  I was talking about a more approximate notion of 'execution'. I meant that the penalty (in the non-legal sense of the word) of committing a terrorist act is effectively death at the hands of the justice system: you do it, you're liable to be shot. The only time death is normally meted out by the justice system is normally at an execution, following a fair trial. So in effect, I am comparing being shot at the scene to execution without a trial.
  
  It's complex because a running person at a crime scene isn't necessarily posing a threat to anyone. He or she is just running. How can we be sure that this person is the culprit just because they're running?
  
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  - NoLifer
    
    4 years ago
    
    If a person is a threat to another person or the cop the police are suppose to shoot. They are trained to do so. If the person is holding a weapon and resisting arrest that is also a reason to shoot. It does not matter how you feel about this. This is just the standard for how things are done. Its also not about executing the criminal. Its about if the suspect is determined a threat to life. If say a cop says he is going to murder the terrorist suspect becuase hes angry he might be a terrorist than you can argue it is vigilante justice.
    
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    - Anonymous Post Author
      
      4 years ago
      
      I'm talking about an unarmed person running away...
      
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[Old Memory]

4 years ago

If a terrorist just blew up a restaurant with your family members inside and a police sniper has a clear shot at him, due process for the scumbag will be the last thing on your mind.

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- Anonymous Post Author
  
  4 years ago
  
  But how would they be 100% certain that it was the terrorist?
  
  And what if the terrorist was in fact someone who had been roped into it by a gang and threatened with death if they didn't comply?
  
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