Yeah, right, works real well in the case of all those religious leaders sexually abusing kids, doesn't it? They're in church more than once a week, telling other people to be good.
Clergy sexual abuse of children happens in religions which don't enforce celibacy: eg Pentecostals, Mormons, Judaism, Islam, Salvation Army to name just a small number.
I'm responding to your comment about enforced celibacy followed by "That's the problem there." It's not enforced celibacy that's the problem, it's the predatory behavior of (overwhelmingly) male clergy, backed up by hierarchical religious organisations. The majority of child sexual abuse, like male violence against women, happens in families, but we were talking about religions, right?
Well if you don't think enforced celibacy is a problem, then that's where we do in fact disagree. I do think its a big problem. That's not the only problem though which sounds like what your saying. Your saying that other religious power structures can provide opportunities for leaders to exploit people and kids sexually even if celibacy isn't enforced?
People who join celibate orders choose that: I think most of them are deluded but that's their problem. Those who find out it's not for them can always leave, as of course very many do. One of the problems with the catholic church is that people make the decision to join celibate orders when they're often far too young to appreciate what that actually means and the entire celibacy thing is about sex being a bad thing. As for your last sentence, you got it, and I would've thought that was obvious.
ALL power structures create opportunities for those high up in the hierarchy to exploit others, that's why I'm an Anarchist.
Atheist but wouldn't recommend it? Iin?
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Well enforced celibacy is stupid. That's the problem there. That is soooooo badly just asking for trouble.
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Clergy sexual abuse of children happens in religions which don't enforce celibacy: eg Pentecostals, Mormons, Judaism, Islam, Salvation Army to name just a small number.
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Yeah but is the rate really that much higher than the average populous? I'm not sure excatly what your trying to say.
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I'm responding to your comment about enforced celibacy followed by "That's the problem there." It's not enforced celibacy that's the problem, it's the predatory behavior of (overwhelmingly) male clergy, backed up by hierarchical religious organisations. The majority of child sexual abuse, like male violence against women, happens in families, but we were talking about religions, right?
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Well if you don't think enforced celibacy is a problem, then that's where we do in fact disagree. I do think its a big problem. That's not the only problem though which sounds like what your saying. Your saying that other religious power structures can provide opportunities for leaders to exploit people and kids sexually even if celibacy isn't enforced?
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People who join celibate orders choose that: I think most of them are deluded but that's their problem. Those who find out it's not for them can always leave, as of course very many do. One of the problems with the catholic church is that people make the decision to join celibate orders when they're often far too young to appreciate what that actually means and the entire celibacy thing is about sex being a bad thing. As for your last sentence, you got it, and I would've thought that was obvious.
ALL power structures create opportunities for those high up in the hierarchy to exploit others, that's why I'm an Anarchist.