Are you pro trans or anti trans?
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Meowypowers
Pro whatever an adult wants to do with their body is their business and don't care as long as they're not trying to compete in athletic competitions with an unfair advantage against their non-biological sex.
Absolutely not okay to allow children to change sex. Kids would choose to become a transformer or a mermaid if you let them.
Teens go through and experiment with so many identities, are highly influenced by trends and peer pressure that the emotional cost of allowing the masses to transition before they're fully mentally developed and sure thats what they are, is far more destructive than delaying the very few, -absolutely sure- people that were "born in the wrong body" the ability to transition until they are legal adults
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[Old Memory]
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For real, some people here genuinely confuse me with how they're trying to portray the Trans topic as people simply saying, "Yo, I'mm'a be the opposite sex" *The End* as if that's anywhere near an accurate description of the topic or connected aspects of society.
Honestly baffles the mind. Surely these people don't genuinely believe that the "Trans topic" is a "Yes or No" question? Surely.
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SwickDinging
I'm not interested tbh. People are just people, doing their thing.
What does annoy me is having to hear about it so much on the internet. I swear in real life no one really gets that worked up about this on either side of the debate, but on the internet it's this huge deal that everyone is meant to pick a side and fight over. It's 90% hypothetical stuff that isn't actually an issue in day to day life.
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CountessDouche
Fuck, this whole thread is a fucking shitshow.
So apparently, transgender people are conspiring to barge down the stalls of womens' bathrooms everywhere, to get a lookyloo at their fun parts. Also there are apparently rogue packs of trans people, wielding sewing scissors, furiously surrounding innocent schoolchildren and attempting to indoctrinate them before they snip off their genetalia. Apparently, that's their number one concern
Creating transgender children???
That seems like it happens ALL the time...& it's not just a one off internet story involving an extremest which is now conflated with all trans people.
Think of the children.
Because the transgenders are gon' git em.
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S0UNDS_WEIRD
Being on the wrong side of history regarding trans rights is like failing an open notes test.
"Slaves, should we free 'em, or nah?"
"Woman folks, should they be a votin', or nah?"
"Them there homiesexuals or whatever they call 'em now that we can't use our word, equal rights, or nah?"
We are currently at the transgender chapter of this saga. I begin to wonder how anyone could possibly fail to see this. Then it hits me like, "Oh, yeah! They're perfectly aware that this is like those things. These are just the people who would say "nah" to most of that /too/ if they could get away with it! How could I forget?"
I get so tired of the "I'm cool with it but, God forbid, just don't let my kids learn about this" arguments, the same ones there were about homosexuals. People are very much not cool with something if they find it so vile and disgusting that their children require protection from it.
Now I tend to agree that if someone feels their child shouldn't be learning about sex at /all/, it's probably not okay for a gay guy to walk up and say "well when I have sex I tend to put my dick a little somewhere else than you might have heard, kid" or a lesbian to sit down with them to share their opinions on what gender gives the best oral. None of that should happen any more than a straight person should be doing that, but that's not what's being asked for.
Homosexuals just want their sexuality to be allowed to be visible to the extent that heterosexuality is. Transgender people just want to be allowed to publicly exist and be understood as a thing by, yes, even children, in the same way everyone else is allowed to. The fact that homophobes and transphobes somehow see that as equating reading erotica to their children before bed only highlights their phobia. No one is trying to give little kids sex ed. It's about different types of people, just as kids knowing males and females exist is fine and no one equates that with teaching them about genitals and fucking.
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CountessDouche
Yep, couldn't have said it better myself. It looks a lot like the yonder day arguments about homosexuality leading to child molestation, but there seems to be a bit of added fuel to the fire because now people have access to the most extreme example of every demographic via the magic of the internet & now they seem to conflate that with the entire group
Blue haired vegan slapping a hamburger out of someone's hand whilst sobbing? Antifa member in an old school 90's punk band anarchy shirt lighting something on fire?
Now thats all liberals. Every single one.
So I saw one youtube video of a trans person saying children should he given a chance to transition.
Now every single trans person wants to take a box knife to toddler dicks & put flintstones shaped hormone replacement pills in all school lunches.
& EXTRA funny that Imafriendyrock (aka retard from the south, weirdguyfromthesouth) is posting about his concerns that the ultimate conclusion of transgenderism is child molestation
Since he posted on here about fucking a 12 year old.
At least he didn't pressure the kid he fucked into questioning her gender identity
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S0UNDS_WEIRD
Funnily, I thought Imafriendyrock's views reminded me of WeirdGuyFromTheSouth's, but he seemed so much less mature that I didn't think it was him. I thought I was seeing what he was probably like as a kid. Then he said it was him. So he's not exactly progressing, as it's not as if I saw him as mature or something.
He's on here acting like he's not outright transphobic yet on another thread he said that he liked Trump's policies so much that he'd still vote for him even if Trump was a "transgender hermaphrodite" so long as his policies didn't change. Clearly being transgender was actually one of the worst things he could even imagine, the other being intersex. I would wonder how the one intersex IIN user I know of feels about that, but they're so equally far up Trump's ass that they would probably just high-five WeirdGuy.
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CountessDouche
Who intersex lloyd Asher? He fucking hates trans people.
Normally I wouldn't make fun of kliensfelters, but he literally despises the transgendered and gay people and black people, even tough he claims not to, you've seen in his comments to you
He constantly posts about his small testicles, so we call him grapenuts, raisenettes, Cadbury mini eggs ect ect
They're both fucking twats & they both claim not to be racist, sexist, gay hating trashboxes & then constantly contradict themselves
Idk the IIN vibe has gotten super weird lately because the community is really small so they all consider themselves friendly. Then ignore the fact that curious bunny rapes dogs, southtard rapes 12 year olds & lloyd tries to pretend he doesn't want to exterminate black people.
It's all gross & they fucking deserve to be called out. Bunch of dog fucking chomos
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CountessDouche
https://imgur.com/a/Ndzi2K5
Here we go.
He fucked a 12 year old after he got his driver's liscence
I mean, my fiance is 4 years younger than me, but I didn't touch his naughty parts before he even had pubes.
But I'm glad he's super worried about the transgendered touching children
"Sounds weird"
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S0UNDS_WEIRD
I like how he adds that they got married like it makes it okay instead of... maybe worse.
It's kind of like he just moved in and took control of her from there on out, starting when she was 12.
Yeah that shit sounds weird.
I feel like anything he ever does wrong to her in their marriage, he's 10 times more guilty for than someone would normally be, just because it looks a lot like he stole her chance to ever know anything else and she's a much less willing participate in whatever bullshit he surely pulls than a normal wife would be.
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CountessDouche
Grooming. He also has posted about how he passed her around to his friends when they 1st started dating, in a hot hot sexy post about how sexy their open relationship was because he sexed the sex so so much
Guess he forgot he posted that she was 12 when they started dating.
Also, mini egg's girlfriend is still in highschool
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olderdude-xx
I'm not sure what point your trying to make.
However, you left out the "neutral/I don't care" option; which is where I sit.
Each situation is unique to the individual - or individuals involved. I would likely have different answers for different people and their situation.
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BleedingPain
Why are people so against being trans? What are you afraid of? Some lady with a dick running into a bathroom and raping you? Or do you think this is a cult like drugs where if you see a trans you might be tempted to try it out yourself?
I really dont understand why people are so obsessed with controlling others, but cant get a grip on themselves.
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[Old Memory]
People don't necessarily have an issue with others being "trans", they moreso have an issue with how it is being pushed and the slippery slope that has been pretty much proven.
For example, many would consider me "anti-trans" because I don't support how easily and openly they condone pushing the Trans subject onto children, meanwhile the mainstream LGBT community see nothing wrong with having a half naked Trans kid twerking at a pride rally next to half naked men and they have this fucked up idea that I'm supposed to put their comfort before kids.
Then there's the "controlling others" bit. It's not the outside world telling Trans people they can't be trans, people generally don't care unless the topic is shoved in their face, it's the LGTB community telling the outside world that we must act the way they deem appropriate towards the topic.
If the community was simply a case of, "Hey, I want to live my life as the opposite sex, leave me to it" then everything would be fine but they didn't stop there.
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BleedingPain
That last part Really hits. I understand what trans people want, but I also do think sometimes it can be a bit much/overdone. Like why are you trying to stand out? i thought you wanted to blend in as a normal human of the gender you believe you are?
Flamin’ hot queer people are not for me. I dont understand nor try to understand, but I also just keep my thoughts to myself.
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Aethylfritha
I agree with this, also What bothers me is the " gender fluid" thing.
Like youre a guy today, a lady tomorrow and a damn guinea pig sometimes?? Thats not mentally sound.
I get people want to live as the opposite sex. Fine but make up your mind.
Also men in womens sports is just cheating imo.Im pro as long as you dont have some convoluted agenda.
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LloydAsher
Yet this kind of think is associated with white supremacists and nazis for some reason instead of just natural thought.
I love how people are forgetting that it's only been 6 years since gay marriage became a federal law. Shit isnt progressing as fast as they want it and are forcing change and forcing change for just change never ends well.
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a-curious-bunny
Lately I've hearing stuff like protect the children. For bathroom laws. Like right im spending thousands of dollars on hormones alone changing the very fiver of my body risking rape murder beatings or worse to falsely pretend im a woman to sneak into bathrooms to look at kids. Cause that makes total fuvking sense. Besides that fact that in many cases it ruins your dick anyways so the bloody things barley work if at all.
I'll never understsnd these people. For example I first started my transition 4 years ago. In that time its cost me a little over 20,000usd and I haven't even gotten a single surgery yet.
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SwickDinging
I don't really get the kid thing. Literally any adult is a potential danger to your children.
Personally I always escort my little ones to the toilet anyway, because I'm fucking sick of them getting "stuck" in the cubicles, and you really don't know what kind of weirdos could be hanging around in there, male, female, trans or otherwise. It's a public place so you need to be vigilant about strangers, just as you are in any other public place.
As a parent you have a pretty long list of stuff that you need to worry about and you have to perform hundreds of risk assessments every day. The idea of a trans person sneaking into the toilet to rape my children is, of course, a scary one, but in all honesty it is pretty low down on my list of concerns.
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BleedingPain
When a child gets molested by a priest in church, no one bats an eye.
But when a child could hypothetically get molested by a trans, everyone looses their mind.
I firmly believe that people who are XYZ-phobic just cant wrap their mind around whatever phobia they have, no matter how illogical or irrational it is. And despite knowing (or maybe not) this, they would rather stay afraid than overcome it and move on.
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Imafriendyrock
I think its more about they dont want their kids seeing transgenders in the bathrooms. They want to keep that away from their kids.
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a-curious-bunny
I've actuslly heard the argument that they are scared we wasn't to diddle their kids. People have thrown that at me. Personwlly I despise children so I definitly don't want to do that. If it was just what you said it'd be one thing but 9ts not. Im sure that's absolutely a part of it though
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ellnell
Im pro trans for people who are genuienly trans but I think they're extremely few.
Most men who claim to be trans just have a fetish and most women who claim to be trans just wanna be a cute feminine anime boi as proven by the fact that they almost never wanna look like anything else but a teenage boy and both are most of the time pretty misogynistic.Comment Hidden ( show )-
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ibuythedrugs
Yeah, it seems many FtMs have internalized misogyny or were sexually harassed/abused at a young age, and want to prevent that by identifying as male. and the MtFs are often fetishists, looking like a living sex doll because that's what they believe it is to be a woman. both usually keep personality traits typically associated with their bio sex (ie. pervy MtFs or submissive FtMs)
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a-curious-bunny
Don't say that in a trans lobby haha. Youll get banned so fast. One person told me on reddit most of us start out as sissies and whatnot and I was like yea no thats a fetishist. A trans person is just that trans. Its not sexual in the slightest. Yea I got banned from group and ever since it takes like 12 minutes before I can even say anything after a comment.
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[Old Memory]
Agreed. This is why I have a problem with the topic being put towards children as most "Trans" people aren't actually trans, they're trenders. People know that in today's culture you gain easy access to value by simply being trans, which is why they use ideologies to claim you can be "trans" without wanting to change anything about your body, so that if you change your mind you can just change your cardigan and POOF, you're a man again. They made it so they can get the value without having to commit, something not even the genuine trans cases get the luxury of.
This becomes a huge problem when it's aimed towards kids because kids are insanely impressionable, obviously, and if they can see a "get rich quick" scheme towards being valued and seen as important then so many will jump on that easy to obtain importance, and then in swoops the Trans advocates to essentially groom these kids into being trans, possibly get the kid putting all sorts of hormones into their bodies, and when the kid comes of age to realize they made a mistake and that these activists took advantage of their impressionable kid years, well it's too late and they will never go back to being their normal selves.
So my stance is this. I'm Pro-child safety. I'm only "Pro-trans" so long as that doesn't directly conflict with my Pro-Child safety stance.
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Pilum
Pro- letting people doing what they want with their own body
Anti- cancerous LGBTQ culture
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[Old Memory]
My thing is why should anyone have the right to tell another how to live their life
Now some things can arguably affect or not affect another life, like abortion, and through discourse we can reach an agreeable compromise (you can always go out of state or take plan B or go through with the pregnancy if you haven't realized it even took place for some months)
The only way being trans affects others is probably their family, and I think it should be up to the family to work that out one way or the other
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a-curious-bunny
Exactly. Some in my family are supportive others dont care and others are anything but supportive. My grandma for example. Definitly not supportive haha. Like for Christmas she used to send me handwritten letters telling me how she's been stuff like that. Now I just get tart replies on Facebook haha
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[Old Memory]
Aww geez I bet she says you're handsome and subtle fuckery like that. Old age may grant wisdom but it can also make you less humble
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a-curious-bunny
She hasn't actually. She just posts stuff on Facebook that is pretty anti trans and if she wasn't someone I was close to as a child would probably lead to a defriending. But its ok. Im glad she's open about her beliefs I just wish we were still close.
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[Old Memory]
You're handling that negativity pretty well. It kinda makes me wonder, do you have any goals or ambitions?
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a-curious-bunny
I won't let her hate and fear ruin my life. For once im happy and im not gonna let her weigh that down.
I do. Outside of saving for surgery the most obvious one. I want to become a commercial diver. If all goes to plan ill have surgery in a few years and then hopefully I'll get a loan and go school. Outside of that I want to collect rare books that interest me. Live by the water so I can swim anytime I like. Get a dog maybe meet a guy if I can and just have a peaceful life out in the wilderness. Thats what I want. If I had the money I'd love to have a horse some pigs maybe even a goat.
If by some stroke of luck I manage to become rich the dream is to buy a lighthouse. Id convert the light room into a reading room. What im picturing is just magical and serene.
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[Old Memory]
I'm pro-"You're an adult, do what you want".
It becomes an issue when those people don't simply want the freedom to do what they want but also want the freedom to take away "your" freedom to approach the subject how you want or when they try to force it onto kids.
If you're an adult and you're trans without forcing others to act how you want them to, then I'm cool with you.
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Imafriendyrock
True, I don't like the trans bullshit being taught in schools. I also dont like when any minority or majority wants special treatment also. Like a brand new bathroom just for them. Or claiming transphobia because they got a ticket for speeding like everyone else does.
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EverythingInALine
Trans people don't want new bathrooms they want to be allowed into bathrooms, and what do you mean "trans bullshit", also they don't want special treatment they want to be equal, I'm sure there are some trans people who see everything as an act of transphobia but there are some cis people who see everything as an act of cisphobia. They arent mutually exclusive.
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Imafriendyrock
By trans bs I ment things like telling children in school that its brave and heroic to transition and patting children on the back for it.
The reason I dont like this is this could cause kids with low self esteem who have a lack of sense of belonging to want to turn trans for the recognition and be complimented by people and be told they're brave. In my school growing up there were 0 trans kids and in that same middle school today there is more than 10. It makes you wonder if these kids in my time were suppressimg feelings or the new kids were in a way coached to do this.
I think if they are trans they should reach that decision on their own with no coaching and propaganda. Transgender stuff should not be taught in school and only at home.
Again, this is just my opinion im sure you disagree.
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EverythingInALine
I agree to an extent, I agree that kids shouldn't be coached or told that they are transgender, but I also believe that kids shouldn't be coached or told that they are straight. I think that kids should be told in schools what being trans is and that it's okay, but that if they aren't it doesn't mean that they are any less special.
So yes they should reach the decision on their own but that doesn't mean that they cant be educated about it before hand.
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Imafriendyrock
I agree with everything you said except I dont like the teachers teaching what trans is. The parents can do that. "Teaching" them goes hand in hand with coaching. You'll get some teachers that will push the propaganda on them and then say they were just "teaching" them
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a-curious-bunny
I think after like 8th grade ot should be mentioned or whenever sex ed takes place. Not saying its brave or whatever just saying the science like it should be so people know. Knowing is half the battle. Brainwashing is stepping backwards.
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[Old Memory]
Well that's a shame for them. Just because "they want" doesn't mean "they get".
The bathroom conversation isn't about what makes "Trans" people comfortable, it's what makes men and women comfortable in general. If women generally don't want a "chick with a dick" in their bathroom because it makes them uncomfortable in general then that's what should be considered first, not the feelings of a small set of individuals.
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RoyyRogers
I would like to jump in on this. As a person who secretly has severe gender and identity issues no one knows about I seen both sides of this. Now being the pragmatic person I am do not identify as anything other than my birth sex. Since I choose to live with whatever fate has miserably gifted me. Now I have known openly trans people that are the biggest snowflakes on the planet. Who have in the past nearly got me fired since they had a victim mentality. These people hurt the perception of trans people. Now a lot of trans people prefer to indentify as a certain gender. I generally try to respect that. I don't understand why this request seems to sometimes highly offend so many people. As far as the bathroom/changing room goes is another story. Since this often creates an akward situation for both the trans and the cispeople. For example trans even if permitted to use a school locker room of thier choice often do not feel comfortable changing with other cisgender people. As well as that if say they still a girl doesn't want to be seeing a transgirls junk. Type of situation. It often also opens up a lot of sexual harassment on both ends. I in fact been in places where they tried this and this is kind of how it turned out. Which is why some suggest having separate changing rooms.
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a-curious-bunny
Yea frankly its just dangerous. My boss is a fucking that with half a brain cell but thank God the fact im trans us under a dont ask dont tell policy (not official) irs fucking wonderful. We don't talk about it it doesn't get brought up. Im terrified ill get a new job and next thing I know we're sitting in a trans awareness meeting signaling me out.
But point being yea even back in the male rooms I changed in the bathroom stalls. I do the same in the female ones. Its just better that way and for me personally more comfortable.
As towards a separate one if a place does that I think they should have gender free ones meaning men women or trans can use it. Obviously keep the male/female ones but if a third option why signsl the trans out let anybody use it. Idk feels safer in my thoughts.
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DADNSCAL
How can you be pro or con another’s person choice about their body? It’s their business.
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S0UNDS_WEIRD
Being pro-trans just means supporting the right for there to be a choice there at all. It doesn't mean you hope as many people turn out trans as possible.
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Imafriendyrock
By your definition id say the vast majority of ppl are pro trans then. Meaning I dont think there are many people that think being trans shouldnt be allowed.
I think the line is when it comes to giving kids hormones and forcing parents to allow their children to transition if they want. There's been cases in America where kids were taken from their parents because their parents didnt wanna let them transition and take hormones. Nancy Pelosi "equality act" instroduced to congress in 2019 will make it considered child abuse and neglect if the parents do not allow their children to take hormones and they can then take the kids. And it doesnt matter what age. It could be a 5 year old.
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Sanara
For the anti trans people, I just don't see the importance of "you cant change your gender 100%" we all know that, physically you cant. But for people who are trans its still much better and the only way they can be content to transtition as far as practically possible. It also doesnt harm anyone
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Necr0tic
I've got various trans friends and I've even felt some sort of gender dysphoria at times, but quite frankly I don't really care about trans people. I think everyone can be whatever they want really as long as they pose no sort of threat to anyone else.
Now, I do get pissed off by transphobes, but when it comes to topics like trans people in sports, in the military and trans people being given special benefits, I'm usually against all of that for a myriad of reasons, but not because I don't want trans people to be able to play sports professionally or form part of the military, but mostly because of the issues that brings. I live in a very progressive country and here we are supposed to pay for gender-change surgeries with our taxes and trans people get special treatment (like, there's a quota that specifies that 1% of public workers have to be trans), which is something I oppose because tax money should go somewhere better and people shouldn't be given any sort of advantage over others based on their condition, in fact, it makes trans people seem invalid.
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LloydAsher
I'm against the general transgenderism movement in general. I'm fine with the individual basis. Adults can do whatever they want, I just dislike the idea of that shit being taught to highly impressionable people such as autistics, teenagers, and especially children.
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MonteMetcalfe
It's not really as simple a question as you seem to think. It's more a matter of degree of support. Most people would probably agree that an adult should be allowed to live, identify and be addressed as a member of whatever sex they choose. However people start falling off in support when dealing with issues surrounding the situation. Such as should someone born with an X & Y chromosome who still has a penis be able to use a "ladies" room? Or should someone born with an X & Y chromosome compete in physical sports against people born with XX? That's where the issues arise.
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geek_god_101
Honestly, it is irrelevant if a person is trans or not. People are people. Who cares if they are trans.
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LloydAsher
This.
People are people i dont care what the individual does. I do care what the group does and the trans community is extremely toxic to those trans people who turn back into their original sex.
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raisinbran
Do what you want but parents should have the freedom to shelter their kids from sexually confusing topics and teachers trying to normalize abnormal behavior.
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ibuythedrugs
People can do whatever they want with their bodies, but I honestly do not see the point of it. and that's not because "you never felt how they do" I definitely have, but I don't see how artificially changing one's body should be the solution
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a-curious-bunny
Think what you want but its like a weight lifting of your shoulders. Life becomes immensely better. People used to say the same things about guys cant let them be send them to straight camps. It repression just makes suffering
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ibuythedrugs
I guess so. But am I wrong in my understanding that it's no different than any other form of plastic surgery / body mod? I imagine if you hate your nose for example, then get a nose job, its a weight off and life becomes better too. Nothing wrong with it, it's just not my thing, even though I very much wish I could be the opposite sex. It just wouldn't be the same as natural therefor not worth it imo.
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Imafriendyrock
why do you have to be pro or anti trans? I dont care what they do. I'm actually pro trans sports tho. I love seeing those trannies dust the girls on track and field. That makes me so happy.
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elpotato
What do you mean by trans? Do you mean allowing people to be trans; do you mean do you think it's the right thing for dealing with gender dysphoria? Do you include pro trans being pushed on under 18 year olds? There's quite a lot to explain actually rather than just "pro or anti trans".
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