Are you against communism or are you all for it?

Genuinely curious and I'm wondering what are your reasons for feeling that way...?

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  • donteatstuffoffthesidewalk

    only thing they got goin for em is funny hats

    and if you laugh at em they kill ya

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  • KholatKhult

    Communism is a pipe dream.
    Pure communism will only work if everyone involved is good-intentioned and willing to work.

    That’s why it’s highly successful in small or tight-knit communities, but falls apart when forced upon people who do not want the system.

    “From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs” I believe is fundamentally the best system there can be for a community that truly cares about it’s people. If everyone does their best work, they deserve to not have to worry about the basics like food or housing.

    While I think it is unrealistic to expect /all/ people to be good and not try to rig the system I believe that some socialist systems should atleast be worked towards.
    If your neighbors gives it their all and produces the best that they can, they shouldn’t have to worry about whether they can pay their bills.

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    • Bazinga

      Thank you, Kholat. Could you give us your perspectives on Social Democracy where the services sector of the economy is socialist, but the production sector of the economy is capitalist? Norway, Sweden, and a few other countries are organized this way. Your views are a nice contrast to stuff from Japan, the U.S., and other places with a sink or swim mindset.

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    • SmokeEverything

      The problem is somebody is always going to want more than the next guy has. The part where the rich get stripped of all the wealth they have and are forced to be just regular people like everyone else never seems to happen.

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      • KholatKhult

        I don’t believe in accepting greed as something that is just human nature and will never be expelled. Commonality doesn’t make things less wrong

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  • Boojum

    It's kinda like religion: nice in principle, but invariably deeply flawed in practice because people.

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    • Mammal-lover

      Yea basically my stance as well. Makes a wonderful idea till you add humans

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    • RoseIsabella

      People screw everything up in this world.

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  • Dapaalet

    it's a nice idea, but it does not work at all when it's attempted.

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  • bigbudchonga

    Against

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  • megadriver

    Extremely against it... Bulgaria, my country, was an ex-communist state and communism ruined what was a beautiful and proud country. 30 years after democracy, my country still hasn't recovered fully from the brotherly love communism gave us.

    Both of my grandfathers were in prison, because of communism. And while many Bulgarians have fond memories of communism and some even wish it could return, I say fuck that. I'm a capitalist, I make money for myself. If I can buy better stuff than my neighbor - good for me.

    If someone can buy better stuff than me, good for them.

    But screw that everyone works from dusk till dawn and earns the same paycheck garbage!

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  • Ehmn

    ~~Sorry for the essay in advance~~

    It could work, but only if it was regulated well. If it was run by the government, I think it would need some or all of these points to actually work:

    -You can choose to join the program or not, no one is forced in
    -You can only join if you have a job. Unsure about how the retired/injured would get in, that could be worked out later, this is just a first draft of sorts.
    -You get money for your calculated necessities (bills, groceries to an extent, gas to get to work, etc.) Putting in more money than the average citizen gets you extra benefits.
    -If nation or statewide, it's led by local chapters per town or group of towns that represent their members, no congressmen or senators.
    -The more you put in when you're young, the more you'll get out when you're old. Kind of like social security I guess. It would require this system to work and continue to have new members.
    -When you join, you sign a contract - you need to have a net 0 over your time there. If you join while out of work and get supported for a month or two, you need to pay that same amount back when you do get a job.

    It could be insurance for everyday life. Say you live in a small town and there's 10,000 people in your chapter. A man man making enough income to account for himself, his wife and his kids gets injured. For 2 or 3 months while he recovers his family gets subsidies and everyone else has to put an extra 0.005% into the pot. When he's better he starts work again, and maybe somewhere down the line another family is out of work and he puts in that extra 0.005%, and it evens out more or less. Anyone who can work but doesn't gets kicked out of the system. Local businesses ran by people in the system could hire people within the group.

    Sorry if this is a mess, I'm thinking it out as I'm typing it. I'm a Libertarian so personal choice in any aspect is really important to me, so that's why I think a person shouldn't have to join and could leave if they want. The more I think about it the more I think it could be organized locally, without any government, but then we just come full circle and have a small commune. If it were statewide or nationwide then all the other chapters could pitch in if a few get struck by a hurricane, tornado, wildfire, or similar. Each chapter could have its own policies and rules following some basic guidelines, as long as the chapter makes a profit.

    If anyone has any improvements or points as to why this wouldn't work please point them out, I'd love feedback.

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  • notsaying4life

    Against it there’s little to no freedom

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  • RoseIsabella

    I think Communism is no bueno.

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  • JellyBeanBandit

    I honestly don't know too much about why it's failed before, but I don't see why it couldn't work. Regardeless anyway, I think the uncontrolled capitalism we have now is just cancer (and I don't use that word lightly).

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    • KholatKhult

      Communism has had its troubles because of people acting corrupt and most communist systems not incorporating how to deal with people being bad. It isn’t the systems fault, it’s the people who go against the systems fault.

      Capitalism encourages you to fuck your neighbors over so people don’t blink about it

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      • JellyBeanBandit

        But why is it easier to act corrupt in a communist system than in a capitalist system? Why can't they enact the same anti-corruption policies that our capitalist system has?

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        • KholatKhult

          It isn’t, there’s 50x the corruption in a capitalist system than in a communist one.
          They just consider the corruption to be “success” in capitalism.

          See; Walmart, pharmaceutical companies, factory farming, Monsanto, lawyers, loan sharks, McDonald’s, Nabisco, your local politician, Google, and where that coronavirus aid money went to.

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          • SmokeEverything

            What we've got in the US now is basically a plutocracy. The super wealthy have massive control over the government behind the scenes and the 2 party electoral system has basically become a TV show. The one party masquerades as 2 parties and puts on fake elections so people think they have a choice in what happens.

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          • JellyBeanBandit

            So you're in favour of communism then?

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  • MrToxic

    Communism has a couple of nice ideas such as having a heavy progressive or graduated income tax and Free education for all children in public schools and abolition of children's factory labor. Unfortunately it's highly susceptible to corrupt leadership and therefor bias decisions/actions made.

    I myself am a bit of an odd one when it comes to the idea of my 'ideal' type of government. I believe that working class should receive a higher income than their superiors/leaders, such as CEOs, Prime ministers, Presidents and the like. This would then discourage the eager, money hungry to step back from roles that make a major impact to occupations that gave them less power but the income they so crave. Only those with a genuine desire to make change would take the higher ranking positions which in my personal opinion, are likely to be better than that of the current leaderships. I know my idea has flaws and expect there'll be questions as well as counter points, go easy on me fellas!

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  • Tingles18

    Communism is the most dangerous political system ever.

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  • Tommythecaty

    Anarchistiness

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  • SmokeEverything

    Big government is evil no matter what it is, Id call myself an anarchist.

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    Couldn't care less

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