I just mean that a certain rhetoric has entered the media that shouts down men and devalues their opinions - "male privilege" is a good example, because that basically means any criticism a man has of feminist ideologies or proposed changes in law can be disregarded because of his gender, IE his opinion is less valid because he's male.
I know most people don't think all that rubbish but some of the extreme branches of feminism do and we hear about it a lot so men could feel it's not acceptable to express any opinion that goes against it.
Also trying to be protective or traditionally genteel/masculine towards women could now be met with anger for some people. As in, some women find it patronising or offensive if a man wants to hold a door open for her, or fight her corner when someone bigger than her is being aggressive towards her etc. Again, it's not all women, and it's not necessarily a bad thing, but if some women responded that way when a man has acted like this then it might be enough to make him think "shit, girls really don't like it when you try and be protective/hold doors open for them etc, maybe I should stop doing it so I don't offend anyone else". Traditionally it would be a man's role to do those things, so you might say the loss of those things would be him being less traditionally masculine.
Personally I think we're all individuals with equally valid opinions who can act how we want, and who the fuck really cares. But then again I'm married now so I think about it much less than I used to when I was dating/single.
I hope I've explained all this properly, I've got baby brain at the moment and it's pretty hard to concentrate lol
No worries, usually when I express these opinions online people assume I'm a man trolling everyone to try and make women look bad. Doesn't feel great. Thanks for actually listening to my view point and treating it as valid.
Thank you I get what your saying I don't fully agree with it but I could see where you were coming from.
Hell I even agreed with some of it especially individualism is a good thing as well as radical feminists who take things to far anything that is radical tends to do that which is bad.
Also I feel things should be open to criticism because it's a way to fix things there is always room for improvement.
Weird thing is I hold doors open for many women and I have never got a negative response all of them are thankful that I did it.
Mind you I don't do it because I'm a man or anything traditional wise it's just something I do.
Yup, holding doors open for people is polite, and most people generally do it for everyone.
However I do remember a time when I was younger (I'd say between 5-10 years ago) where women I encountered would quite commonly say that they didn't need a man to hold a door for them, and gleefully tell stories of how rude they had been to men who held a door for them. I can't tell if this was just lies to engraciate themselves with other women, or young girls getting overexcited about feminism, or maybe it was just a phase that people have moved on from now.
To be honest I think it's really hard for a lot of people to judge stuff like this on a wider level because we all have access to certain social circles and walks of life, so I think anyone's experience is going to be very unique and can't be taken as a full picture with which to judge a whole gender. For example your question specifically asks about USA, and I'm English so... What do I really know about this?
Really interesting question though, you've sparked one of the more fruitful debates on this website.
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I just mean that a certain rhetoric has entered the media that shouts down men and devalues their opinions - "male privilege" is a good example, because that basically means any criticism a man has of feminist ideologies or proposed changes in law can be disregarded because of his gender, IE his opinion is less valid because he's male.
I know most people don't think all that rubbish but some of the extreme branches of feminism do and we hear about it a lot so men could feel it's not acceptable to express any opinion that goes against it.
Also trying to be protective or traditionally genteel/masculine towards women could now be met with anger for some people. As in, some women find it patronising or offensive if a man wants to hold a door open for her, or fight her corner when someone bigger than her is being aggressive towards her etc. Again, it's not all women, and it's not necessarily a bad thing, but if some women responded that way when a man has acted like this then it might be enough to make him think "shit, girls really don't like it when you try and be protective/hold doors open for them etc, maybe I should stop doing it so I don't offend anyone else". Traditionally it would be a man's role to do those things, so you might say the loss of those things would be him being less traditionally masculine.
Personally I think we're all individuals with equally valid opinions who can act how we want, and who the fuck really cares. But then again I'm married now so I think about it much less than I used to when I was dating/single.
I hope I've explained all this properly, I've got baby brain at the moment and it's pretty hard to concentrate lol
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Thanks for your reply. I think you get it better than anyone else. Very well said, and exactly what I was thinking.
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No worries, usually when I express these opinions online people assume I'm a man trolling everyone to try and make women look bad. Doesn't feel great. Thanks for actually listening to my view point and treating it as valid.
Thank you I get what your saying I don't fully agree with it but I could see where you were coming from.
Hell I even agreed with some of it especially individualism is a good thing as well as radical feminists who take things to far anything that is radical tends to do that which is bad.
Also I feel things should be open to criticism because it's a way to fix things there is always room for improvement.
Weird thing is I hold doors open for many women and I have never got a negative response all of them are thankful that I did it.
Mind you I don't do it because I'm a man or anything traditional wise it's just something I do.
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Yup, holding doors open for people is polite, and most people generally do it for everyone.
However I do remember a time when I was younger (I'd say between 5-10 years ago) where women I encountered would quite commonly say that they didn't need a man to hold a door for them, and gleefully tell stories of how rude they had been to men who held a door for them. I can't tell if this was just lies to engraciate themselves with other women, or young girls getting overexcited about feminism, or maybe it was just a phase that people have moved on from now.
To be honest I think it's really hard for a lot of people to judge stuff like this on a wider level because we all have access to certain social circles and walks of life, so I think anyone's experience is going to be very unique and can't be taken as a full picture with which to judge a whole gender. For example your question specifically asks about USA, and I'm English so... What do I really know about this?
Really interesting question though, you've sparked one of the more fruitful debates on this website.