Less taxes collected, because of many factors. Shitty place to live, people moving away instead of moving in, and the Republican favorite...big tax breaks to the wealthy and big businesses. Some examples from my state, coal mining-stripped the land of coal and destroyed and poisoned it, crippled the men who worked there, then left without even cleaning up the mess, and got tax breaks and everything the whole time.
Granting land and other benefits to "factories" that never get built, or end up a fraction of what was promised. It's a shell game, basically, and the average residents of the sate lose and the money "evaporates".
Another one is incarceration. Guess which states have the highest rates of incarceration? Red...
My state pays out multiple millions in lawsuits, that really shouldn't be happening. Police brutality, anti-abortion bullshit and religious zealotry cost this state enormously. I'm sure you heard of Breonna Taylor, that happened here. Kim Davis, the clerk who refused to issue marriage licenses to gay couples, that was here too. She cost a fortune in legal fees for refusing to do her job, and the governor at the time, Republican Matt Bevin, supported her. We have a lot of that. Stupidity. Its just such a waste.
Biden didn't have rallies due to covid. Most left-leaning people respected covid guidelines and didn't care about not having rallies. If you watched the coverage on the day the election results were -finally- announced though, you would've seen people dancing and partying in the streets not just in the US, but all over the world. I was watching it on CNN. Anderson Cooper harped on the partying a bit (covid) but it was really quite the display.
I couldn't find anything saying biden was only helping black people with covid aid, but I know that's not true because everyone who filed taxes and made under $75,000 got a check for $1400, and so did their children.
Biden did say he was sending $5 billion in aid to black farmers. So? They need it. White farmers weren't excluded from aid, they got billions from each stimulous. This was just a special fund for people who need it and lost out last time. Anyone who is pizsed about this should think about all the already rich individuals who got billions EACH in the previous stimulus. Why did Jared Kushner get $1billion? Thats $1billion to ONE man, but there's a problem with earmarked $5 billion to all of America's black farmers to share? Think about that, its ridiculous.
Small businesses lost out under Trump's stimulus, because bigger, more connected businesses snapped up huge benefits before small businesses could even try. Biden tried to level out the playing field by allowing smaller businesses to apply first and making the bigger ones wait. Theres some actual oversight this time too, instead of just handing out cash to whoever. I don't see a problem there. Seems better to me.
I'll be honest with you, I don't know as much as you do about America (obviously) and I'm kind of on a tight schedule before to get ready for a few days away for work so I'm not risking putting time into looking the the tax topic up until I'm back (Round about Thurs/Friday) if we can hold off on that part just now? I'd need to do more reading to catch up with you on it. I'll try to keep up with the rest though as I hopefully don't need to catch up too much with the other subjects, which if I do I'll have to drop them until I'm back too. Hope you don't mind.
I don't know if we can necessarily say Biden didn't have rallies due to Covid, weren't the early rallies he done completely pitiful? We seen more people out protesting within the span of a year for left leaning causes than we seen turn up for Biden so I don't think we can say he just didn't rally when he did and it seemed to be a sad turnout. Not only that but the livefeeds and views of his, for lack of a better word, content were painfully lacking compared to Trump's, so even when Covid wasn't a factor it was pretty bad.
Sorry, it was in regards to black and minority owned businesses, not simply black people and minorities.
The $5 billion thing would require more reading for me to do but are you saying that all white farmers and all other minority farmers all obtained these funds while all black farmers did not to the point that we can justify racial segregated funding instead of funding to go to people regardless of race that missed out? Because if this is something only some white farmers, hell even most white farmers got but all black farmers get then why are we discriminating against white farmers that lose out in comparison purely due to their race? Unless I'm mistaken here that would justify an exclusively white farmer funding for white farmers that missed out under the same logic, right?
Omg. ARRRRRGH. I'm trying to be quick in this reply because I'm heading out again but then I clicked "Reply" on the other comment and it deleted the one I was typing out. Ok, I'll try to be SUPER quick this time.
I don't think I'm a conservative, I usually just approach things from what I believe is a common sense angle from the perspective of fairness. You probably know way more than I do on these matters. The political tests I've done, if they can be relied on, I was first on the centre and then the last one I took I was Left Lib. A large part of what got me defending the right was the unfairness Trump received by media and people defending it. Unfairness pisses me off, infact it's a large reason on why I believe there should be some sort of reparations for descendants of slaves.
No worries, won't take it personally. Might be true. The reason why I take issue with the Left is because their extremism is being validated in popular culture, as are their views of who "The enemy" is.
When it comes to fact-checking I'm honestly dubious of them. Take for example your examples, I just don't believe it. Biden supporters who were out at the same time protesting and rioting on mass didn't go to his rallies because of Covid-19? How could they possibly have quantified that? Not only that but (((why))) would they feel the need to run to the defence of something they admit was true but give an excuse for as a means to apply a negative label to it to imply it's less true (((because reasons)))? Then when you add the fact his media just done horribly the "Covid-19 did-it" argument takes a hit even more. Also, didn't Biden get like the most votes ever? Even more than Obama? Pair them all together and it becomes quite laughable. But then again, black people don't know how to use the internet according to Joe, so maybe that's the missing context is that he'd of got the viewership if they knew how to use Youtube. Lol. ;)
But yeah, I think the reason why I go after left wing extremists more is because right wing extremists aren't taken with nearly as much legitimacy as Left Wing extremists. The Right seem to want to maintain everything (Obviously there's room to improve) but The Left want to change everything in our culture and force their way into the lives of others, through force if necessary. One will leave me alone and the other will tear me down if I don't live how they want me to.
I'm away again today for a good few days. I might be able to read the response but not reply. Kick my ass if I don't respond within a week again, I need reminding. Lol.
That's interesting, so you're not actually a conservative? Have you or would you vote conservative? It's actually a "thing" that people who "feel" conservative actually favor liberal policy, but why do they vote conservative??? Thats what people are talking about when they say "voting against their own interest".
I get where you're coming from on fairness, I think I used to be a lot like you a while back, but my idea of fairness has evolved. I realized there's different layers of fairness. I acknowledge fairness doesn't translate exactly across age/gender/race. Its not like I can say "hey, I did xyz, so you should/could too"...that's where a lot of my disagreement came from, I realized that even though I "did" and "could" do it, doesn't mean anyone else should, or even "could". And if I suffered doing it, why would I want anyone else to? Why make others suffer and hurt for no other reason than, "hey, I went through it so why can't you?" No.
Biden literally DIDN'T HAVE IN PERSON RALLIES. I mean, you can't go to a rally that didn't exist. You're saying people didn't show up to an event that didn't exist, and that proves fraud. If he purposely didn't have in-person rallies, then how does a lack of attendance at said inexistant rallies prove support, or lack of?
With fact-checking, you can easily start by going to the original source, if the claim is "Biden said/Biden did", you can easily check his speech or record, if it's a proposed law then you can just as easily check the text of the law. You can check other news sources against others combined with the direct sources, it's not hard. Why choose to blindly believe anti-Biden sources?
"One will leave me alone and the other will tear me down if I don't live how they want me to."
In the US, I feel the ones who tread on me the most are the conservatives. They are anti-abortion, anti-freedom of religion, anti-education, anti-freedom of speech....
I feel like civil rights benefit us all, why fight that?
Physical Violence is primarily a right-wing thing.
Beats me. Honestly I don't know much about politics to know where I land if the compass tests can't be relied on. I've never voted so I've never voted Conservative and I'd like to say it's because I don't know enough about politics to support a side but the truth is I'm just indifferent to it as shit happens regardless of who's in.
I've never really believed that we all came from one starting point and that people would have the same starting point as me or that I had as good a starting point as others but I don't like the idea that just because the chips don't lay where you want them that you don't have to handle your shit, ya'know?
My bad. Events. His events were pitiful. Are we saying here that Biden didn't have any public events for his political campaign? Wasn't there a big hoohaa when he stopped doing them half way through? Maybe I'm wrong there but like you said he didn't do in-person events yet even then the numbers were terrible, as were the like/dislike ratios.
Oh, you mean checking the source? Yeah, I'll try to do that when I'm interested enough in a topic. I thought you just meant like "The fact checkers" thing. My bad. For the most part I don't typically believe the Biden criticisms unless I see it from a sourced clip like you said. I like watching that Crowder guy and he's decent for providing examples.
I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and believe that's the side you fear for those reasons but I just can't see how.
- Anti-Abortion is a totally different topic that relies on a third party (the baby) and isn't simply about pulling you into submission, even if one is pro-choice I think it's fair to understand that.
- Anti-freedom from religion. In what way?
- Anti-Education? Not sure what you mean by that. Do you mean that because they perhaps aren't throwing as much money to it that they are opposed to education or?
- Anti-freedom of speech. This one I am dubious with you on. I just cannot see why you would claim the Right are anywhere near as bad as the left here. Do you really believe that censorship is coming primarily from the Right? In my country I can be arrested for hate speech, do you think the Right are the ones that support this?
Yeah, I don't think anyone will disagree that civil rights benefit us all but I don't think it's the right fighting that and I think things would need to be added to the concept of "civil rights" for the right to be opposed to it. Again, it's not the right taking over streets and have been rioting for over a year now, it's not the right-wing influencers justifying or running defence for the groups responsible, and it wasn't the the Right-Wing extremists the President ran defence for.
I don't think physical violence is primarily a Right-Wing thing. This reminds me of the "extremism primarily happens from the right" study. I could perhaps believe that individual Right-Wing extremist acts more but do you think if the rioting that has been happening for over the past year was tallied into these studies that the results would be the same? The circumstances make such studies unreliable because we can see that Left-Wing extremism and violence thrives when there is too much of it for law enforcement to resolve which means they are never included in the conclusion of these studies. Hell, even a bunch that DID get arrested were released and doing it again on the same night.
So I don't agree that physical violence is a Right Wing thing, I don't know if it's a "Left or Right" thing at all but I do know that due to the circumstances of Left-Wing extremism and violence that, I assume, between 70%-80% of their political violence is not included.
Hey, props to you for not voting if you don't feel informed enough to, that's nothing to be ashamed of and it's probably the best choice to make in that case.
One thing though, if you feel so indifferent about it, doesn't that indicate privilege, in that you're doing fine so you don't think anything needs to change, so it's not even worth your time to investigate the politics and put forth a vote? By privileged, I'm not saying you're rich and famous, I'm just saying your life must be fine in your opinion, and not worth looking into too deeply.
I honestly don't know if his online events were pitiful or not, I didn't watch them, but I still voted for him. Now, if we're going to count completely unscientific "youtube likes/dislikes", then will we also take into account all the negative polling Trump got? Never broke 50% approval his entire term, lowest approval ratings of any president since modern polling started, predicted to lose the 2020 election by 90% chance? But somehow we're supposed to believe, based 0n youtube likes, that there was election fraud? Use some logic here. I haven't even checked the youtube like claim but even if it is true, theres way more better quality evidence against Trump in this regard. Recounts and audits have proven no fraud. Trump was crying about fraud months before the election, setting it up. He complained of fraud in the 2016 election because he lost the popular vote and yet no fraud was found...by a committee HE put together even. He claimed fraud in the primaries prior to 2016 when he lost one to Ted Cruz. Against someone in his o we n party, he claimed fraud on. In 2015. Its a recurring theme. The man will not accept a loss. It's always blamed on cheating or whatever from his opponent. Hillary Clinton called him on it in the debate in 2015. If he's the president and he's truly worried about fraud then why didn't he or his party do anything about election security while they had the chance? In fact, they actively avoided the subject. Pretty hard to claim you're worried about fraud, PLUS be the most powerful person in the country to combat it, yet do nothing about it.
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"One will leave me alone and the other will tear me down if I don't live how they want me to."
I'm explaining to you how conservatives in the US won't leave you alone. I don't care WHY they don't like abortion, the fact is, they use THEIR faith and reasoning to control probably the most profound effect on the female body, pregnancy. The why is irrelevant, were talking about control via the law here. Conservatives literally run on anti-abortion platforms, its actually a singular reason why many get elected, so the control over a body, regardless of the "justification", is the reason, that's literally control. They are against birth control and sex ed, as well. Companies in the US have fought and won for the "right" to not cover birth control prescriptions in their health care plans, for "religious reasons".
Freedom of speech is speech protected from the government. You must understand, here, you have the right to say what you want, with few exceptions, and THE GOVERNMENT will not come after you. Like, private companies can ban you, do what they want, but the actual government coming after you, that is 1A. People and companies can choose to distance themselves from you, though, and that's totally fair.
Physical violence is primarily right-wing. Lone wolf or not, the severity and frequency of political violence is mostly right-wing. There is no denying that. From Timothy McVeigh, to 9/11 to the January 6th coup attempt, its mostly right-wing shit.
Interfering with kids learning? Enter Republicans. They want to teach religion, religious influenced shit, in school. They want to teach creationism as equal with evolution in schools. They speak out against critical thinking being taught in school. They don't want sex ed in school, yet also don't want people to have abortions, get birth control or fund social programs for kids. You can't have it both ways, I think. You can't ban sex talk and abortions yet not expect, and have to pay for, unexpected pregnancies!
Every school event here I have attended for my kids has started with a "prayer". This is illegal yet it goes on.
My county just barely legalized alcohol sales last year. I am telling you, my county has voted, after year after year of voting no, that we can finally sell alcohol here. Alcohol in 2021. Religious people were keeping it illegal till now. So, prior to the past year, I would have to drive to a different county to buy alcohol. Because conservatives said so.
I can't think of any ways "the left" has infringed on my personal safety or rights to do what I want with my body, though I can think of plenty from "the right".
I personally don't fear the right, but they have butted into my life enough to be an issue.
Maybe we could switch gears a bit here, why don't you just tell me why you personally support conservatism, what you think Republican ideals are, and tell me any criticisms you have of the ideology/party.
Something I've noticed in our chat (and please don't take this as a personal attack, its merely an observation, I'm enjoying talking to you very much and I appreciate you engaging with me politely even though we have different views) is that you seem to have a willingness to believe anything anti-Biden/anti-"left" with little to no proof or fact-checking but anything that criticises or puts a spotlight on a negative of conservatism is dismissed, excused or questioned heavily. I've noticed you believe at least a few things that could be easily fact-checked to be shown false, or to at least be put in context for full understanding. I think its important to question your own side just as much as the "other", you know? Also to be critical of your own guys.
I voted for Biden, I didn't attend or watch any of his campaign except for watching the televised debates, and I read some campaign materials. I didn't feel any need to do any more, probably many others felt the same way.
Even though I voted for him, I can easily say "fuck you, Joe, shut up about "assault weapons". I also saw he wanted to reduce nicotine levels in cigarettes. OK, fuck you on that too, Joe. I'm not going to just be fine with everything he says or does just because I voted for him. I don't see the same willingness to criticise on the right, though. Speaking of that, I found a pretty telling collection of polling results that illustrates this. It shows conservatives change their support for or against things not so much with facts but feelings, whereas democrats stay very level in their support. It appears to show conservatives support or un-support depending more on who is saying it/in charge rather than examining the actual issue itself.
http://imgur.com/a/VXl1K
Another famous example of this is the whole Affordable Care Act vs Obama care. Conservatives are much more favorable of the ACA but hate Obamacare. They are LITERALLY the same thing. I mean, the same exact thing, just a different name for it.
Anyway, I'd really like to hear back from you about what I asked in the first paragraph, maybe it would help establish a better understanding between us so we can more effectively talk about the other issues.
Are conservatives generally better-looking than liberals are?
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Less taxes collected, because of many factors. Shitty place to live, people moving away instead of moving in, and the Republican favorite...big tax breaks to the wealthy and big businesses. Some examples from my state, coal mining-stripped the land of coal and destroyed and poisoned it, crippled the men who worked there, then left without even cleaning up the mess, and got tax breaks and everything the whole time.
Granting land and other benefits to "factories" that never get built, or end up a fraction of what was promised. It's a shell game, basically, and the average residents of the sate lose and the money "evaporates".
Another one is incarceration. Guess which states have the highest rates of incarceration? Red...
https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/prison-population-by-state
My state pays out multiple millions in lawsuits, that really shouldn't be happening. Police brutality, anti-abortion bullshit and religious zealotry cost this state enormously. I'm sure you heard of Breonna Taylor, that happened here. Kim Davis, the clerk who refused to issue marriage licenses to gay couples, that was here too. She cost a fortune in legal fees for refusing to do her job, and the governor at the time, Republican Matt Bevin, supported her. We have a lot of that. Stupidity. Its just such a waste.
Biden didn't have rallies due to covid. Most left-leaning people respected covid guidelines and didn't care about not having rallies. If you watched the coverage on the day the election results were -finally- announced though, you would've seen people dancing and partying in the streets not just in the US, but all over the world. I was watching it on CNN. Anderson Cooper harped on the partying a bit (covid) but it was really quite the display.
I couldn't find anything saying biden was only helping black people with covid aid, but I know that's not true because everyone who filed taxes and made under $75,000 got a check for $1400, and so did their children.
Biden did say he was sending $5 billion in aid to black farmers. So? They need it. White farmers weren't excluded from aid, they got billions from each stimulous. This was just a special fund for people who need it and lost out last time. Anyone who is pizsed about this should think about all the already rich individuals who got billions EACH in the previous stimulus. Why did Jared Kushner get $1billion? Thats $1billion to ONE man, but there's a problem with earmarked $5 billion to all of America's black farmers to share? Think about that, its ridiculous.
Small businesses lost out under Trump's stimulus, because bigger, more connected businesses snapped up huge benefits before small businesses could even try. Biden tried to level out the playing field by allowing smaller businesses to apply first and making the bigger ones wait. Theres some actual oversight this time too, instead of just handing out cash to whoever. I don't see a problem there. Seems better to me.
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I'll be honest with you, I don't know as much as you do about America (obviously) and I'm kind of on a tight schedule before to get ready for a few days away for work so I'm not risking putting time into looking the the tax topic up until I'm back (Round about Thurs/Friday) if we can hold off on that part just now? I'd need to do more reading to catch up with you on it. I'll try to keep up with the rest though as I hopefully don't need to catch up too much with the other subjects, which if I do I'll have to drop them until I'm back too. Hope you don't mind.
I don't know if we can necessarily say Biden didn't have rallies due to Covid, weren't the early rallies he done completely pitiful? We seen more people out protesting within the span of a year for left leaning causes than we seen turn up for Biden so I don't think we can say he just didn't rally when he did and it seemed to be a sad turnout. Not only that but the livefeeds and views of his, for lack of a better word, content were painfully lacking compared to Trump's, so even when Covid wasn't a factor it was pretty bad.
Sorry, it was in regards to black and minority owned businesses, not simply black people and minorities.
The $5 billion thing would require more reading for me to do but are you saying that all white farmers and all other minority farmers all obtained these funds while all black farmers did not to the point that we can justify racial segregated funding instead of funding to go to people regardless of race that missed out? Because if this is something only some white farmers, hell even most white farmers got but all black farmers get then why are we discriminating against white farmers that lose out in comparison purely due to their race? Unless I'm mistaken here that would justify an exclusively white farmer funding for white farmers that missed out under the same logic, right?
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Omg. ARRRRRGH. I'm trying to be quick in this reply because I'm heading out again but then I clicked "Reply" on the other comment and it deleted the one I was typing out. Ok, I'll try to be SUPER quick this time.
I don't think I'm a conservative, I usually just approach things from what I believe is a common sense angle from the perspective of fairness. You probably know way more than I do on these matters. The political tests I've done, if they can be relied on, I was first on the centre and then the last one I took I was Left Lib. A large part of what got me defending the right was the unfairness Trump received by media and people defending it. Unfairness pisses me off, infact it's a large reason on why I believe there should be some sort of reparations for descendants of slaves.
No worries, won't take it personally. Might be true. The reason why I take issue with the Left is because their extremism is being validated in popular culture, as are their views of who "The enemy" is.
When it comes to fact-checking I'm honestly dubious of them. Take for example your examples, I just don't believe it. Biden supporters who were out at the same time protesting and rioting on mass didn't go to his rallies because of Covid-19? How could they possibly have quantified that? Not only that but (((why))) would they feel the need to run to the defence of something they admit was true but give an excuse for as a means to apply a negative label to it to imply it's less true (((because reasons)))? Then when you add the fact his media just done horribly the "Covid-19 did-it" argument takes a hit even more. Also, didn't Biden get like the most votes ever? Even more than Obama? Pair them all together and it becomes quite laughable. But then again, black people don't know how to use the internet according to Joe, so maybe that's the missing context is that he'd of got the viewership if they knew how to use Youtube. Lol. ;)
But yeah, I think the reason why I go after left wing extremists more is because right wing extremists aren't taken with nearly as much legitimacy as Left Wing extremists. The Right seem to want to maintain everything (Obviously there's room to improve) but The Left want to change everything in our culture and force their way into the lives of others, through force if necessary. One will leave me alone and the other will tear me down if I don't live how they want me to.
I'm away again today for a good few days. I might be able to read the response but not reply. Kick my ass if I don't respond within a week again, I need reminding. Lol.
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That's interesting, so you're not actually a conservative? Have you or would you vote conservative? It's actually a "thing" that people who "feel" conservative actually favor liberal policy, but why do they vote conservative??? Thats what people are talking about when they say "voting against their own interest".
I get where you're coming from on fairness, I think I used to be a lot like you a while back, but my idea of fairness has evolved. I realized there's different layers of fairness. I acknowledge fairness doesn't translate exactly across age/gender/race. Its not like I can say "hey, I did xyz, so you should/could too"...that's where a lot of my disagreement came from, I realized that even though I "did" and "could" do it, doesn't mean anyone else should, or even "could". And if I suffered doing it, why would I want anyone else to? Why make others suffer and hurt for no other reason than, "hey, I went through it so why can't you?" No.
Biden literally DIDN'T HAVE IN PERSON RALLIES. I mean, you can't go to a rally that didn't exist. You're saying people didn't show up to an event that didn't exist, and that proves fraud. If he purposely didn't have in-person rallies, then how does a lack of attendance at said inexistant rallies prove support, or lack of?
With fact-checking, you can easily start by going to the original source, if the claim is "Biden said/Biden did", you can easily check his speech or record, if it's a proposed law then you can just as easily check the text of the law. You can check other news sources against others combined with the direct sources, it's not hard. Why choose to blindly believe anti-Biden sources?
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In the US, I feel the ones who tread on me the most are the conservatives. They are anti-abortion, anti-freedom of religion, anti-education, anti-freedom of speech....
I feel like civil rights benefit us all, why fight that?
Physical Violence is primarily a right-wing thing.
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Beats me. Honestly I don't know much about politics to know where I land if the compass tests can't be relied on. I've never voted so I've never voted Conservative and I'd like to say it's because I don't know enough about politics to support a side but the truth is I'm just indifferent to it as shit happens regardless of who's in.
I've never really believed that we all came from one starting point and that people would have the same starting point as me or that I had as good a starting point as others but I don't like the idea that just because the chips don't lay where you want them that you don't have to handle your shit, ya'know?
My bad. Events. His events were pitiful. Are we saying here that Biden didn't have any public events for his political campaign? Wasn't there a big hoohaa when he stopped doing them half way through? Maybe I'm wrong there but like you said he didn't do in-person events yet even then the numbers were terrible, as were the like/dislike ratios.
Oh, you mean checking the source? Yeah, I'll try to do that when I'm interested enough in a topic. I thought you just meant like "The fact checkers" thing. My bad. For the most part I don't typically believe the Biden criticisms unless I see it from a sourced clip like you said. I like watching that Crowder guy and he's decent for providing examples.
I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and believe that's the side you fear for those reasons but I just can't see how.
- Anti-Abortion is a totally different topic that relies on a third party (the baby) and isn't simply about pulling you into submission, even if one is pro-choice I think it's fair to understand that.
- Anti-freedom from religion. In what way?
- Anti-Education? Not sure what you mean by that. Do you mean that because they perhaps aren't throwing as much money to it that they are opposed to education or?
- Anti-freedom of speech. This one I am dubious with you on. I just cannot see why you would claim the Right are anywhere near as bad as the left here. Do you really believe that censorship is coming primarily from the Right? In my country I can be arrested for hate speech, do you think the Right are the ones that support this?
Yeah, I don't think anyone will disagree that civil rights benefit us all but I don't think it's the right fighting that and I think things would need to be added to the concept of "civil rights" for the right to be opposed to it. Again, it's not the right taking over streets and have been rioting for over a year now, it's not the right-wing influencers justifying or running defence for the groups responsible, and it wasn't the the Right-Wing extremists the President ran defence for.
I don't think physical violence is primarily a Right-Wing thing. This reminds me of the "extremism primarily happens from the right" study. I could perhaps believe that individual Right-Wing extremist acts more but do you think if the rioting that has been happening for over the past year was tallied into these studies that the results would be the same? The circumstances make such studies unreliable because we can see that Left-Wing extremism and violence thrives when there is too much of it for law enforcement to resolve which means they are never included in the conclusion of these studies. Hell, even a bunch that DID get arrested were released and doing it again on the same night.
So I don't agree that physical violence is a Right Wing thing, I don't know if it's a "Left or Right" thing at all but I do know that due to the circumstances of Left-Wing extremism and violence that, I assume, between 70%-80% of their political violence is not included.
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Hey, props to you for not voting if you don't feel informed enough to, that's nothing to be ashamed of and it's probably the best choice to make in that case.
One thing though, if you feel so indifferent about it, doesn't that indicate privilege, in that you're doing fine so you don't think anything needs to change, so it's not even worth your time to investigate the politics and put forth a vote? By privileged, I'm not saying you're rich and famous, I'm just saying your life must be fine in your opinion, and not worth looking into too deeply.
I honestly don't know if his online events were pitiful or not, I didn't watch them, but I still voted for him. Now, if we're going to count completely unscientific "youtube likes/dislikes", then will we also take into account all the negative polling Trump got? Never broke 50% approval his entire term, lowest approval ratings of any president since modern polling started, predicted to lose the 2020 election by 90% chance? But somehow we're supposed to believe, based 0n youtube likes, that there was election fraud? Use some logic here. I haven't even checked the youtube like claim but even if it is true, theres way more better quality evidence against Trump in this regard. Recounts and audits have proven no fraud. Trump was crying about fraud months before the election, setting it up. He complained of fraud in the 2016 election because he lost the popular vote and yet no fraud was found...by a committee HE put together even. He claimed fraud in the primaries prior to 2016 when he lost one to Ted Cruz. Against someone in his o we n party, he claimed fraud on. In 2015. Its a recurring theme. The man will not accept a loss. It's always blamed on cheating or whatever from his opponent. Hillary Clinton called him on it in the debate in 2015. If he's the president and he's truly worried about fraud then why didn't he or his party do anything about election security while they had the chance? In fact, they actively avoided the subject. Pretty hard to claim you're worried about fraud, PLUS be the most powerful person in the country to combat it, yet do nothing about it.
Well, you said
"One will leave me alone and the other will tear me down if I don't live how they want me to."
I'm explaining to you how conservatives in the US won't leave you alone. I don't care WHY they don't like abortion, the fact is, they use THEIR faith and reasoning to control probably the most profound effect on the female body, pregnancy. The why is irrelevant, were talking about control via the law here. Conservatives literally run on anti-abortion platforms, its actually a singular reason why many get elected, so the control over a body, regardless of the "justification", is the reason, that's literally control. They are against birth control and sex ed, as well. Companies in the US have fought and won for the "right" to not cover birth control prescriptions in their health care plans, for "religious reasons".
Freedom of speech is speech protected from the government. You must understand, here, you have the right to say what you want, with few exceptions, and THE GOVERNMENT will not come after you. Like, private companies can ban you, do what they want, but the actual government coming after you, that is 1A. People and companies can choose to distance themselves from you, though, and that's totally fair.
Physical violence is primarily right-wing. Lone wolf or not, the severity and frequency of political violence is mostly right-wing. There is no denying that. From Timothy McVeigh, to 9/11 to the January 6th coup attempt, its mostly right-wing shit.
Interfering with kids learning? Enter Republicans. They want to teach religion, religious influenced shit, in school. They want to teach creationism as equal with evolution in schools. They speak out against critical thinking being taught in school. They don't want sex ed in school, yet also don't want people to have abortions, get birth control or fund social programs for kids. You can't have it both ways, I think. You can't ban sex talk and abortions yet not expect, and have to pay for, unexpected pregnancies!
Every school event here I have attended for my kids has started with a "prayer". This is illegal yet it goes on.
My county just barely legalized alcohol sales last year. I am telling you, my county has voted, after year after year of voting no, that we can finally sell alcohol here. Alcohol in 2021. Religious people were keeping it illegal till now. So, prior to the past year, I would have to drive to a different county to buy alcohol. Because conservatives said so.
I can't think of any ways "the left" has infringed on my personal safety or rights to do what I want with my body, though I can think of plenty from "the right".
I personally don't fear the right, but they have butted into my life enough to be an issue.
Maybe we could switch gears a bit here, why don't you just tell me why you personally support conservatism, what you think Republican ideals are, and tell me any criticisms you have of the ideology/party.
Something I've noticed in our chat (and please don't take this as a personal attack, its merely an observation, I'm enjoying talking to you very much and I appreciate you engaging with me politely even though we have different views) is that you seem to have a willingness to believe anything anti-Biden/anti-"left" with little to no proof or fact-checking but anything that criticises or puts a spotlight on a negative of conservatism is dismissed, excused or questioned heavily. I've noticed you believe at least a few things that could be easily fact-checked to be shown false, or to at least be put in context for full understanding. I think its important to question your own side just as much as the "other", you know? Also to be critical of your own guys.
https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-crowd-biden-trump-support/fact-check-crowd-size-at-trump-and-biden-events-reflect-campaign-strategy-not-support-idUSKBN27F27Y
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/09/22/fact-check-joe-biden-events-smaller-because-covid-19/5780898002/
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/16/business/media/biden-trump-town-hall-ratings.html
I voted for Biden, I didn't attend or watch any of his campaign except for watching the televised debates, and I read some campaign materials. I didn't feel any need to do any more, probably many others felt the same way.
Even though I voted for him, I can easily say "fuck you, Joe, shut up about "assault weapons". I also saw he wanted to reduce nicotine levels in cigarettes. OK, fuck you on that too, Joe. I'm not going to just be fine with everything he says or does just because I voted for him. I don't see the same willingness to criticise on the right, though. Speaking of that, I found a pretty telling collection of polling results that illustrates this. It shows conservatives change their support for or against things not so much with facts but feelings, whereas democrats stay very level in their support. It appears to show conservatives support or un-support depending more on who is saying it/in charge rather than examining the actual issue itself.
http://imgur.com/a/VXl1K
Another famous example of this is the whole Affordable Care Act vs Obama care. Conservatives are much more favorable of the ACA but hate Obamacare. They are LITERALLY the same thing. I mean, the same exact thing, just a different name for it.
Anyway, I'd really like to hear back from you about what I asked in the first paragraph, maybe it would help establish a better understanding between us so we can more effectively talk about the other issues.