It's the rate of obese adults in the state, so a 35% obesity rate means 35% of the adult population of the state is obese.
I suppose one group could have both extremes of attractiveness. I live in red Kentucky and most of the people I see are more on the hideous side though.
So, a huge part of why red states are worse off in health, education, jobs, poverty, etc is precisely because of conservative policy. Conservative policy doesn't value putting money into education, social programs or Healthcare. Liberal policy is opposite, so you'll often see better education, health, social programs and opportunity in Liberal areas.
BLM and feminism aren't conspiracy theories by any stretch. Every example I listed does have links to "key figures of the right", one of whom is Donald Trump. Trump was at the forefront of the "stolen election" scam, along with several of his family members, some members of congress, former mayor Rudy Giuliani, and several other high profile individuals. Right-wing news outlets peddled the baseless conspiracy theory as well, and some have been served with billion dollar lawsuits from Dominion voting systems.
Donald Trump, Rush and several other right-wingers were big in spreading the "birther" conspiracy.
There are at least 2 QAnon-affiliated members of congress. They're Republicans.
Believing a conspiracy theory about the Covid vaccine having a microchip or whatever is a public health and economy issue. Republican leadership didn't exactly help here with the anti-science stance they decided to take. Also, Donald Trump got vaccinated in secret back in January instead of setting an example for his supporters.
Sandy Hook. Does the name Alex Jones ring a bell? Right-wing nut who harassed the families mercilessly, as did some others on the right. One of the 2 QAnon congresswoman has also been harassing shooting victims families.
No, I've seen that tactic used a lot in the lefty media, I'm confident it's not fear mongering. It's pretty clear to me that it's just to keep up the bad cop rage. I'll look at some CNN later and see if I can find a good fear mongering example.
I'm not sure what all evidence Tucker is using to prove whites are under attack, I've only seen or read minimal Tucker. I'm not sure exactly of everything BLM is saying either. I'd have to actually watch some interviews and stuff. I'll get back to you on that.
And there tends to be around 10%< of a difference between each state's population of obese people, yeah? I suppose that's believable. Not the largest difference but I didn't know the obese rate was growing across the board. One step closer to Wall-E. Lol.
Out of interest, remember I'm not American so I'm kind of relying on you here. Where does the money for Red States typically go to if it's not those things you listed?
I believe they are absolutely conspiracy theories (BLM & Feminism). As such, I'd argue that most if not all of the Left-Wing key figures peddle these conspiracy theories more than your right-wing examples do.
I personally do believe there was shenanigans with the election. Wasn't it admitted to that the whole mail-in law change thing was unconstitutional but the time limit made it impossible to take to court and that they'd have to prove damages to win but at that point it would rely on the damage already being done and unable to be reversed? The poll workers fiasco, people voting all for Biden from addresses that didn't exist, and so on. Even if it's not something you believe is true I think it's a tad foolish to write it off as out of the realm of reality.
Also, didn't dominion refuse to let their machines be investigated when requested? And that when an audit was requested to validify the votes it was refused? I can't recall it all and would have to jog my memory on it.
I'll skip the Qanon and Covid Vaccine thing, not that I disagree just that I've got nothing to add to it.
Alex Jones? Aye. That said I've also seen Left-wing media openly call for non-peaceful "protest", Maxine Waters telling BLM to harass people even though we know what these riots have done, and so on. I think we can both agree that Alex Jones or two people in congress harassing a family is pretty small compared to telling groups responsible for riots to start targeting people, right?
I think we'd have to agree to disagree on Left-Wing fear mongering. I think we could split hairs on it and I could probably do the same with the examples you used of Right wing fear mongering but I don't think we'll agree here.
I don't watch Fox, I'll watch a video from Tucker once in a blue moon but that's about all. I think it's got a lot to do with the BLM conspiracy and appeasement from institutions. You've got the whole Coca cola "Anti-white training" crap, you've got government funded anti-white media aswell as anti-white job advertisements (In the BBC), you've got it in the education system, yada-yada. Christ, didn't Biden even say that he's exclusively going to be funding everyone that wasn't a white male to recover from Covid lockdowns? Didn't he also say he was exclusively going to be funding black farmers?
That's not even mentioning the obviously accepted racist media that is openly allowed to belittle white people in our cultures.
I think it's past the point where people aren't obligated to atleast accept it as something tip toeing on the edge of validity, ya'know?
So...I'll try my best to explain the money part. Each state is "sort of" its own little country. Each state has its own tax system for income, sales tax, property tax, etc. This is how states set their budget. They can spend what they can collect in revenue. The amount of revenue a given state can collect depends on how desirable it is to live there, so-for instance, taxes are much higher in New York than Kentucky, but public services are much better in NY. States also receive funds from the federal government for various things.
Anyway, in state budgets, education spending is discretionary, meaning it's a part of the budget that they can cut or increase. It often gets cut in favor of other things, or instead of raising taxes on businesses or something. In my state just this year, the (democrat) governor proposed an increase to the K-12 budget since they had some leftover Covid funds (I think that's what it was) but the Republican-controlled legislature killed his proposal, so the money won't be going to the schools. They haven't said where it's going so I can't answer that, they just said "rainy day fund".
The federal government also gives states additional money for education. Each of the 4 years Donald Trump was in office, he tried to slash that budget, along with trying to entirely get rid of the Dept of Education. Joe Biden, in contrast, is proposing more money for education.
The election was fine. You have to keep in mind, Donald Trump never once had a positive approval rating. He had the lowest approval ratings of ANY president since modern polling began. He lost. Some people really liked him but more people did not. There has been countless investigations into any election fraud and none has been found. Hand recounts were done, some multiple times. No problems were found.
The lawsuit I believe you're talking about is the one that allowed mail-in ballots to be received up to 3 days after voting day? I believe this was in Pennsylvania. So, that lawsuit got dismissed because there is an established concept in law that says you have to take action in a timely manner. The state in question approved the law to accept ballots after election day MONTHS prior to the election. If someone wanted to challenge that law, they legally had to act within a reasonable time frame. You can't sit back and wait, see if it benefits you, and if it doesn't, then sue to retroactively change it. The law does not work that way.
Yeah, I get the individual state parts. So is what happens in Red States more a case of there being less taxes being paid to go towards these areas like Educations and so on? What do taxes in these Red states go to? Why would Republicans be opposed to giving the left over money from Covid to schooling, did they give any particular reason?
In the first link you gave does it not also say that while Trump was cutting that budget he was putting it towards a private school voucher scheme?
Honestly, I take a lot of what I hear from places saying those things with a grain of salt now. They say he's the least popular and that somehow Biden was the most popular yet Biden's rallies were barely populated, ya'know?
I believe the issue wasn't that they wanted a recount but an audit as the the concerns people were bringing up wasn't that it wasn't counted correctly but that the votes being counted could of been compromised.
That's a fair point on the Pennsylvania part. They should of done it sooner. Can't just wait for those votes to be counted then throw them out when it would be too late for them to vote again.
I still have my concerns but at the end of the day it doesn't matter anymore.
We have the worst reply schedule here. I reply just after I wake up and wanna sleep and you reply when you're about to get to bed and wanna sleep. God help us. Haha.
Less taxes collected, because of many factors. Shitty place to live, people moving away instead of moving in, and the Republican favorite...big tax breaks to the wealthy and big businesses. Some examples from my state, coal mining-stripped the land of coal and destroyed and poisoned it, crippled the men who worked there, then left without even cleaning up the mess, and got tax breaks and everything the whole time.
Granting land and other benefits to "factories" that never get built, or end up a fraction of what was promised. It's a shell game, basically, and the average residents of the sate lose and the money "evaporates".
Another one is incarceration. Guess which states have the highest rates of incarceration? Red...
My state pays out multiple millions in lawsuits, that really shouldn't be happening. Police brutality, anti-abortion bullshit and religious zealotry cost this state enormously. I'm sure you heard of Breonna Taylor, that happened here. Kim Davis, the clerk who refused to issue marriage licenses to gay couples, that was here too. She cost a fortune in legal fees for refusing to do her job, and the governor at the time, Republican Matt Bevin, supported her. We have a lot of that. Stupidity. Its just such a waste.
Biden didn't have rallies due to covid. Most left-leaning people respected covid guidelines and didn't care about not having rallies. If you watched the coverage on the day the election results were -finally- announced though, you would've seen people dancing and partying in the streets not just in the US, but all over the world. I was watching it on CNN. Anderson Cooper harped on the partying a bit (covid) but it was really quite the display.
I couldn't find anything saying biden was only helping black people with covid aid, but I know that's not true because everyone who filed taxes and made under $75,000 got a check for $1400, and so did their children.
Biden did say he was sending $5 billion in aid to black farmers. So? They need it. White farmers weren't excluded from aid, they got billions from each stimulous. This was just a special fund for people who need it and lost out last time. Anyone who is pizsed about this should think about all the already rich individuals who got billions EACH in the previous stimulus. Why did Jared Kushner get $1billion? Thats $1billion to ONE man, but there's a problem with earmarked $5 billion to all of America's black farmers to share? Think about that, its ridiculous.
Small businesses lost out under Trump's stimulus, because bigger, more connected businesses snapped up huge benefits before small businesses could even try. Biden tried to level out the playing field by allowing smaller businesses to apply first and making the bigger ones wait. Theres some actual oversight this time too, instead of just handing out cash to whoever. I don't see a problem there. Seems better to me.
I'll be honest with you, I don't know as much as you do about America (obviously) and I'm kind of on a tight schedule before to get ready for a few days away for work so I'm not risking putting time into looking the the tax topic up until I'm back (Round about Thurs/Friday) if we can hold off on that part just now? I'd need to do more reading to catch up with you on it. I'll try to keep up with the rest though as I hopefully don't need to catch up too much with the other subjects, which if I do I'll have to drop them until I'm back too. Hope you don't mind.
I don't know if we can necessarily say Biden didn't have rallies due to Covid, weren't the early rallies he done completely pitiful? We seen more people out protesting within the span of a year for left leaning causes than we seen turn up for Biden so I don't think we can say he just didn't rally when he did and it seemed to be a sad turnout. Not only that but the livefeeds and views of his, for lack of a better word, content were painfully lacking compared to Trump's, so even when Covid wasn't a factor it was pretty bad.
Sorry, it was in regards to black and minority owned businesses, not simply black people and minorities.
The $5 billion thing would require more reading for me to do but are you saying that all white farmers and all other minority farmers all obtained these funds while all black farmers did not to the point that we can justify racial segregated funding instead of funding to go to people regardless of race that missed out? Because if this is something only some white farmers, hell even most white farmers got but all black farmers get then why are we discriminating against white farmers that lose out in comparison purely due to their race? Unless I'm mistaken here that would justify an exclusively white farmer funding for white farmers that missed out under the same logic, right?
Maybe we could switch gears a bit here, why don't you just tell me why you personally support conservatism, what you think Republican ideals are, and tell me any criticisms you have of the ideology/party.
Something I've noticed in our chat (and please don't take this as a personal attack, its merely an observation, I'm enjoying talking to you very much and I appreciate you engaging with me politely even though we have different views) is that you seem to have a willingness to believe anything anti-Biden/anti-"left" with little to no proof or fact-checking but anything that criticises or puts a spotlight on a negative of conservatism is dismissed, excused or questioned heavily. I've noticed you believe at least a few things that could be easily fact-checked to be shown false, or to at least be put in context for full understanding. I think its important to question your own side just as much as the "other", you know? Also to be critical of your own guys.
I voted for Biden, I didn't attend or watch any of his campaign except for watching the televised debates, and I read some campaign materials. I didn't feel any need to do any more, probably many others felt the same way.
Even though I voted for him, I can easily say "fuck you, Joe, shut up about "assault weapons". I also saw he wanted to reduce nicotine levels in cigarettes. OK, fuck you on that too, Joe. I'm not going to just be fine with everything he says or does just because I voted for him. I don't see the same willingness to criticise on the right, though. Speaking of that, I found a pretty telling collection of polling results that illustrates this. It shows conservatives change their support for or against things not so much with facts but feelings, whereas democrats stay very level in their support. It appears to show conservatives support or un-support depending more on who is saying it/in charge rather than examining the actual issue itself.
http://imgur.com/a/VXl1K
Another famous example of this is the whole Affordable Care Act vs Obama care. Conservatives are much more favorable of the ACA but hate Obamacare. They are LITERALLY the same thing. I mean, the same exact thing, just a different name for it.
Anyway, I'd really like to hear back from you about what I asked in the first paragraph, maybe it would help establish a better understanding between us so we can more effectively talk about the other issues.
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It's the rate of obese adults in the state, so a 35% obesity rate means 35% of the adult population of the state is obese.
I suppose one group could have both extremes of attractiveness. I live in red Kentucky and most of the people I see are more on the hideous side though.
So, a huge part of why red states are worse off in health, education, jobs, poverty, etc is precisely because of conservative policy. Conservative policy doesn't value putting money into education, social programs or Healthcare. Liberal policy is opposite, so you'll often see better education, health, social programs and opportunity in Liberal areas.
BLM and feminism aren't conspiracy theories by any stretch. Every example I listed does have links to "key figures of the right", one of whom is Donald Trump. Trump was at the forefront of the "stolen election" scam, along with several of his family members, some members of congress, former mayor Rudy Giuliani, and several other high profile individuals. Right-wing news outlets peddled the baseless conspiracy theory as well, and some have been served with billion dollar lawsuits from Dominion voting systems.
Donald Trump, Rush and several other right-wingers were big in spreading the "birther" conspiracy.
There are at least 2 QAnon-affiliated members of congress. They're Republicans.
Believing a conspiracy theory about the Covid vaccine having a microchip or whatever is a public health and economy issue. Republican leadership didn't exactly help here with the anti-science stance they decided to take. Also, Donald Trump got vaccinated in secret back in January instead of setting an example for his supporters.
Sandy Hook. Does the name Alex Jones ring a bell? Right-wing nut who harassed the families mercilessly, as did some others on the right. One of the 2 QAnon congresswoman has also been harassing shooting victims families.
No, I've seen that tactic used a lot in the lefty media, I'm confident it's not fear mongering. It's pretty clear to me that it's just to keep up the bad cop rage. I'll look at some CNN later and see if I can find a good fear mongering example.
I'm not sure what all evidence Tucker is using to prove whites are under attack, I've only seen or read minimal Tucker. I'm not sure exactly of everything BLM is saying either. I'd have to actually watch some interviews and stuff. I'll get back to you on that.
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And there tends to be around 10%< of a difference between each state's population of obese people, yeah? I suppose that's believable. Not the largest difference but I didn't know the obese rate was growing across the board. One step closer to Wall-E. Lol.
Out of interest, remember I'm not American so I'm kind of relying on you here. Where does the money for Red States typically go to if it's not those things you listed?
I believe they are absolutely conspiracy theories (BLM & Feminism). As such, I'd argue that most if not all of the Left-Wing key figures peddle these conspiracy theories more than your right-wing examples do.
I personally do believe there was shenanigans with the election. Wasn't it admitted to that the whole mail-in law change thing was unconstitutional but the time limit made it impossible to take to court and that they'd have to prove damages to win but at that point it would rely on the damage already being done and unable to be reversed? The poll workers fiasco, people voting all for Biden from addresses that didn't exist, and so on. Even if it's not something you believe is true I think it's a tad foolish to write it off as out of the realm of reality.
Also, didn't dominion refuse to let their machines be investigated when requested? And that when an audit was requested to validify the votes it was refused? I can't recall it all and would have to jog my memory on it.
I'll skip the Qanon and Covid Vaccine thing, not that I disagree just that I've got nothing to add to it.
Alex Jones? Aye. That said I've also seen Left-wing media openly call for non-peaceful "protest", Maxine Waters telling BLM to harass people even though we know what these riots have done, and so on. I think we can both agree that Alex Jones or two people in congress harassing a family is pretty small compared to telling groups responsible for riots to start targeting people, right?
I think we'd have to agree to disagree on Left-Wing fear mongering. I think we could split hairs on it and I could probably do the same with the examples you used of Right wing fear mongering but I don't think we'll agree here.
I don't watch Fox, I'll watch a video from Tucker once in a blue moon but that's about all. I think it's got a lot to do with the BLM conspiracy and appeasement from institutions. You've got the whole Coca cola "Anti-white training" crap, you've got government funded anti-white media aswell as anti-white job advertisements (In the BBC), you've got it in the education system, yada-yada. Christ, didn't Biden even say that he's exclusively going to be funding everyone that wasn't a white male to recover from Covid lockdowns? Didn't he also say he was exclusively going to be funding black farmers?
That's not even mentioning the obviously accepted racist media that is openly allowed to belittle white people in our cultures.
I think it's past the point where people aren't obligated to atleast accept it as something tip toeing on the edge of validity, ya'know?
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Haha, Wall-E, indeed.
So...I'll try my best to explain the money part. Each state is "sort of" its own little country. Each state has its own tax system for income, sales tax, property tax, etc. This is how states set their budget. They can spend what they can collect in revenue. The amount of revenue a given state can collect depends on how desirable it is to live there, so-for instance, taxes are much higher in New York than Kentucky, but public services are much better in NY. States also receive funds from the federal government for various things.
Anyway, in state budgets, education spending is discretionary, meaning it's a part of the budget that they can cut or increase. It often gets cut in favor of other things, or instead of raising taxes on businesses or something. In my state just this year, the (democrat) governor proposed an increase to the K-12 budget since they had some leftover Covid funds (I think that's what it was) but the Republican-controlled legislature killed his proposal, so the money won't be going to the schools. They haven't said where it's going so I can't answer that, they just said "rainy day fund".
The federal government also gives states additional money for education. Each of the 4 years Donald Trump was in office, he tried to slash that budget, along with trying to entirely get rid of the Dept of Education. Joe Biden, in contrast, is proposing more money for education.
https://www.americanprogress.org/issues/education-k-12/news/2020/02/11/480384/trumps-k-12-education-budget/
https://www.usnews.com/news/education-news/articles/2021-04-09/bidens-budget-significantly-boosts-k-12-education-spending
The election was fine. You have to keep in mind, Donald Trump never once had a positive approval rating. He had the lowest approval ratings of ANY president since modern polling began. He lost. Some people really liked him but more people did not. There has been countless investigations into any election fraud and none has been found. Hand recounts were done, some multiple times. No problems were found.
The lawsuit I believe you're talking about is the one that allowed mail-in ballots to be received up to 3 days after voting day? I believe this was in Pennsylvania. So, that lawsuit got dismissed because there is an established concept in law that says you have to take action in a timely manner. The state in question approved the law to accept ballots after election day MONTHS prior to the election. If someone wanted to challenge that law, they legally had to act within a reasonable time frame. You can't sit back and wait, see if it benefits you, and if it doesn't, then sue to retroactively change it. The law does not work that way.
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Yeah, I get the individual state parts. So is what happens in Red States more a case of there being less taxes being paid to go towards these areas like Educations and so on? What do taxes in these Red states go to? Why would Republicans be opposed to giving the left over money from Covid to schooling, did they give any particular reason?
In the first link you gave does it not also say that while Trump was cutting that budget he was putting it towards a private school voucher scheme?
Honestly, I take a lot of what I hear from places saying those things with a grain of salt now. They say he's the least popular and that somehow Biden was the most popular yet Biden's rallies were barely populated, ya'know?
I believe the issue wasn't that they wanted a recount but an audit as the the concerns people were bringing up wasn't that it wasn't counted correctly but that the votes being counted could of been compromised.
That's a fair point on the Pennsylvania part. They should of done it sooner. Can't just wait for those votes to be counted then throw them out when it would be too late for them to vote again.
I still have my concerns but at the end of the day it doesn't matter anymore.
We have the worst reply schedule here. I reply just after I wake up and wanna sleep and you reply when you're about to get to bed and wanna sleep. God help us. Haha.
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Less taxes collected, because of many factors. Shitty place to live, people moving away instead of moving in, and the Republican favorite...big tax breaks to the wealthy and big businesses. Some examples from my state, coal mining-stripped the land of coal and destroyed and poisoned it, crippled the men who worked there, then left without even cleaning up the mess, and got tax breaks and everything the whole time.
Granting land and other benefits to "factories" that never get built, or end up a fraction of what was promised. It's a shell game, basically, and the average residents of the sate lose and the money "evaporates".
Another one is incarceration. Guess which states have the highest rates of incarceration? Red...
https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/prison-population-by-state
My state pays out multiple millions in lawsuits, that really shouldn't be happening. Police brutality, anti-abortion bullshit and religious zealotry cost this state enormously. I'm sure you heard of Breonna Taylor, that happened here. Kim Davis, the clerk who refused to issue marriage licenses to gay couples, that was here too. She cost a fortune in legal fees for refusing to do her job, and the governor at the time, Republican Matt Bevin, supported her. We have a lot of that. Stupidity. Its just such a waste.
Biden didn't have rallies due to covid. Most left-leaning people respected covid guidelines and didn't care about not having rallies. If you watched the coverage on the day the election results were -finally- announced though, you would've seen people dancing and partying in the streets not just in the US, but all over the world. I was watching it on CNN. Anderson Cooper harped on the partying a bit (covid) but it was really quite the display.
I couldn't find anything saying biden was only helping black people with covid aid, but I know that's not true because everyone who filed taxes and made under $75,000 got a check for $1400, and so did their children.
Biden did say he was sending $5 billion in aid to black farmers. So? They need it. White farmers weren't excluded from aid, they got billions from each stimulous. This was just a special fund for people who need it and lost out last time. Anyone who is pizsed about this should think about all the already rich individuals who got billions EACH in the previous stimulus. Why did Jared Kushner get $1billion? Thats $1billion to ONE man, but there's a problem with earmarked $5 billion to all of America's black farmers to share? Think about that, its ridiculous.
Small businesses lost out under Trump's stimulus, because bigger, more connected businesses snapped up huge benefits before small businesses could even try. Biden tried to level out the playing field by allowing smaller businesses to apply first and making the bigger ones wait. Theres some actual oversight this time too, instead of just handing out cash to whoever. I don't see a problem there. Seems better to me.
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I'll be honest with you, I don't know as much as you do about America (obviously) and I'm kind of on a tight schedule before to get ready for a few days away for work so I'm not risking putting time into looking the the tax topic up until I'm back (Round about Thurs/Friday) if we can hold off on that part just now? I'd need to do more reading to catch up with you on it. I'll try to keep up with the rest though as I hopefully don't need to catch up too much with the other subjects, which if I do I'll have to drop them until I'm back too. Hope you don't mind.
I don't know if we can necessarily say Biden didn't have rallies due to Covid, weren't the early rallies he done completely pitiful? We seen more people out protesting within the span of a year for left leaning causes than we seen turn up for Biden so I don't think we can say he just didn't rally when he did and it seemed to be a sad turnout. Not only that but the livefeeds and views of his, for lack of a better word, content were painfully lacking compared to Trump's, so even when Covid wasn't a factor it was pretty bad.
Sorry, it was in regards to black and minority owned businesses, not simply black people and minorities.
The $5 billion thing would require more reading for me to do but are you saying that all white farmers and all other minority farmers all obtained these funds while all black farmers did not to the point that we can justify racial segregated funding instead of funding to go to people regardless of race that missed out? Because if this is something only some white farmers, hell even most white farmers got but all black farmers get then why are we discriminating against white farmers that lose out in comparison purely due to their race? Unless I'm mistaken here that would justify an exclusively white farmer funding for white farmers that missed out under the same logic, right?
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Maybe we could switch gears a bit here, why don't you just tell me why you personally support conservatism, what you think Republican ideals are, and tell me any criticisms you have of the ideology/party.
Something I've noticed in our chat (and please don't take this as a personal attack, its merely an observation, I'm enjoying talking to you very much and I appreciate you engaging with me politely even though we have different views) is that you seem to have a willingness to believe anything anti-Biden/anti-"left" with little to no proof or fact-checking but anything that criticises or puts a spotlight on a negative of conservatism is dismissed, excused or questioned heavily. I've noticed you believe at least a few things that could be easily fact-checked to be shown false, or to at least be put in context for full understanding. I think its important to question your own side just as much as the "other", you know? Also to be critical of your own guys.
https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-crowd-biden-trump-support/fact-check-crowd-size-at-trump-and-biden-events-reflect-campaign-strategy-not-support-idUSKBN27F27Y
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/09/22/fact-check-joe-biden-events-smaller-because-covid-19/5780898002/
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/16/business/media/biden-trump-town-hall-ratings.html
I voted for Biden, I didn't attend or watch any of his campaign except for watching the televised debates, and I read some campaign materials. I didn't feel any need to do any more, probably many others felt the same way.
Even though I voted for him, I can easily say "fuck you, Joe, shut up about "assault weapons". I also saw he wanted to reduce nicotine levels in cigarettes. OK, fuck you on that too, Joe. I'm not going to just be fine with everything he says or does just because I voted for him. I don't see the same willingness to criticise on the right, though. Speaking of that, I found a pretty telling collection of polling results that illustrates this. It shows conservatives change their support for or against things not so much with facts but feelings, whereas democrats stay very level in their support. It appears to show conservatives support or un-support depending more on who is saying it/in charge rather than examining the actual issue itself.
http://imgur.com/a/VXl1K
Another famous example of this is the whole Affordable Care Act vs Obama care. Conservatives are much more favorable of the ACA but hate Obamacare. They are LITERALLY the same thing. I mean, the same exact thing, just a different name for it.
Anyway, I'd really like to hear back from you about what I asked in the first paragraph, maybe it would help establish a better understanding between us so we can more effectively talk about the other issues.